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4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by jeff82 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:49 pm

Hi all .. I had a mixed bag of finds today but one of the nicest surprises was this item .. its 4.5 inch across found on pasture around 8/10inch deep .. my son dug another type 199 fuse around 10ft away ..
Any ideas ..I'm presuming its aa or big field gun ..
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Re: 4.5inch warhead??

Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:08 pm

Looks like either a 3.7 inch or a 4.5 Howitzer, not too sure with the big stuff. I'm sure the howitzer chaps will come along shortly ::g

The 199 fuze is for a 3.7 inch AA gun. Will be marked with date and makers mark :)

Both items have already gone bang, so perfectly okay to keep ::g

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Re: 4.5inch warhead??

Post by jeff82 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:02 pm

Thanks simon .. I have another 2 near complete 199 fuses so nice to have another .I'm sure it won't be our last. no timing rings however I have dug plenty of shards with the timing notches ..

The cylinder is deft 4.5 across and I presume the offset lined brass part is to spin the projectile in the barrel ..not sure .. glad to hear there safe ..I was a bit nervy as the item was nose down in the dirt ..I quickly moved my son to a safe distance as I gently hand dug around ..was my first thought was a bomb ..
Will give it a good brush off tomorrow and remove the internal mud
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Re: 4.5inch warhead??

Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:56 pm

Great finds ::g You did good erring on the side of caution, If in doubt, don't.

The copper band around it's circumference is a 'Drive band', as you quite rightly say, this is to grip the rifling in the bore of the barrel, to induce spin on the projectile. The grooves lengthwise on the drive band are the impressions left by the rifling. ::g
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Re: 4.5inch warhead??

Post by RRPG » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:32 pm

The British used a 4.5 inch BL, 4.5 inch howitzer and a 4.5 inch QF gun during WW2, although the QF was used mainly as a naval weapon, it did see some use as a static ground based AA weapon. I know for sure that there were quite a few 4.5 inch AA guns in and around London, Kent, Newcastle and even as far afield as Edinburgh and Malta. These were adapted from the naval gun and didn't get declared obsolete until the early 50s.

Chances are that is what you have here. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they also used the 199 fuze, but haven't had a chance to check so can't be 100% :) :)
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Re: 4.5inch warhead??

Post by jeff82 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:55 pm

Thanks RPG .. knew you would jump in and throw some light on it .. pretty happy with finding it .. I haven't had chance to scrub it up yet .. should I use just water to clean the surface dirt and a brush ? .. still amazing how heavy it is ..
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Post by RRPG » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:10 pm

Nah. It's made of solid stuff that shell so do the following......

1. Wash all the dirt off and dry

2. Smack it with a hammer REALLY hard to knock all the loose rust off

3. Soak in a 10% solution of citric acid for 48 hours

4. Rinse

5. Electric drill....wire brush wheel.....whizz all over it.

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Re: 4.5inch warhead??

Post by jeff82 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:02 pm

Thanks for the info RPG .. I have a few hours spare tomorrow afternoon so I will give it a bash ..
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Re: 4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by jeff82 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:16 pm

Hey guys . Following advice I went ahead and had a go at cleaning the round ..
Still not quite finished ..need to get into the rifling on the drive band ..but I'm pretty happy with how it has transformed this piece
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Re: 4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by william holmes » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:32 pm

I believe that could be part of a 4.5 inch AA shell. the rifling on the drive band looks similar to the rifling one the 4.5 inch shell in my collection even tho my shell is a modern variant. you may also notice that my shell is fitted with a number 208 mechanical time fuze which i'm sure at some point you will find bits of these.
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Re: 4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:03 pm

That's very nice indeed, matey ::g came up very well:)
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Re: 4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by Bully1970 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:19 pm

Awesome, came up a treat, nice find for the collection.
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Re: 4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by jeff82 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:10 pm

William .. the whole area I live in was diff wings of training camps ..I'm sure to dig at least a 303 case on every visit to wherever I detect ..I'm sure without doubt I have dug 300 shotgun cartridges ..and how sometimes they fool me in the clod ..sitting there flush looking like a Vicky ..
There was a fixed aa emplacement local to which I have permission ..had 2 outings there and the hardstand has been covered with a foot of top soil ..and its full of bottle tops and tin cans ..
I seem to dig plenty of shards of drive band and as daft as it sounds if its a quite session I'm more then happy when a piece comes up ..also dig lots of threaded fuse parts and the fuse collection is steadily growing ..

Thanks for the responses to the clean up guys it was my first attempt so has made me feel a lot more comfy about putting some elbow grease in to transform them .. like RPG has clocked about me is that I was thinking on the lines of being delicate .. thanks for the spur RPG .. I would have never hit it with a hammer unless u advised ..and it worked a treat ..'note' always were goggles when whacking .. I still have tiny bit of rust in corner of my eye ....

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Re: 4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by ChrisWilson618 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:33 pm

Hello.

If it is an AAA round, which I have no reason to doubt, then it did not detonate at the desired height and probably broke up when it hit the ground. The reason I say that is because the 'lump' is just too large. I live in Hastings, East Sussex, and we had AAA defences all along the coast, and I find lots of small fragments of AAA shells (drive bands, fuse rings etc) that did detonate. Also I work within the MoD on weapons development and testing and have seen my fair-share of little bits of steel ;)
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Re: 4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by jeff82 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:35 pm

ChrisWilson618 wrote:
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Hello.

If it is an AAA round, which I have no reason to doubt, then it did not detonate at the desired height and probably broke up when it hit the ground. The reason I say that is because the 'lump' is just too large. I live in Hastings, East Sussex, and we had AAA defences all along the coast, and I find lots of small fragments of AAA shells (drive bands, fuse rings etc) that did detonate. Also I work within the MoD on weapons development and testing and have seen my fair-share of little bits of steel ;)
If that's the case I shall be revisiting the hole to search around it ..I only dug it cause of the copper signal ..there were plenty of loud iron signals in locality ..perhaps I will get lucky and find the nose ..
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Re: 4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by fred » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:01 am

That has cleaned up really well. I might have a go at some of my bits of shell and bomb sometime. Great advice from RPG too. ::g

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Re: 4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by RRPG » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:42 pm

Good job on that Jeff :)

Apologies for not mentioning safety goggles! Completely forgot :)
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Re: 4.5inch warhead (cleaned)

Post by jeff82 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:32 pm

Cheers Fred & RPG ..
RPG .. I should have started off with the goggles ..from years of working on cars and underneath them .. the rust allways finds a way to your eye or worse u end up swallowing rust ..
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