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Dummy 303

Post by metalmicky » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:48 pm

I found this bullet today . It looks similar to a 303, but i'm thrown as it has a stainless steel look to it . A quick read , and it might be a dummy ! It is 70mm long and 11mm diameter. I need help with ID and is it safe :-SS . Thanks MM
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Re: Dummy 303

Post by fred » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:51 pm

It's called a drill round and it is quite safe.

That one is unusual as it isn't the normal .303 that detectorists find but a 7.62. They were presumably for the SLR rifle although I can't recall ever having used one or even seen one before. Mind you the SLR was semi automatic so there was a limit to what you could usefully practice with a drill round. :D
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Re: Dummy 303

Post by metalmicky » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:56 pm

Phew :) Any chance of a date of the bullet :)
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Re: Dummy 303

Post by fred » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:59 pm

metalmicky wrote:
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Phew :) Any chance of a date of the bullet :)
1957, it's on the end of the cartridge! :D Made by Royal Ordnance Factory Radway Green, Radway Green in the UK. ::g

A fairly comprehensive guide to endmarks here:

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Re: Dummy 303

Post by metalmicky » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:04 pm

I'm the dummy lol . I wasnt sure it was the date, because I thought 303 from ww2 . Harder to identify than a musket ball lol. Thanks Fred ::g
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Re: Dummy 303

Post by Pete E » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:41 pm

Its 7.62mm Nato as already mentioned...I don't think it as dummy round though as all the ones I saw (and used!) were generally painted, red IIRC.
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Re: Dummy 303

Post by alloverover » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:45 pm

Definitely a drill round as the case is fluted and the flutes are painted red as is the empty primer hole ::g

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Re: Dummy 303

Post by Pete E » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:49 pm

Don't recall them being fluted, but it was along time ago!
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Re: Dummy 303

Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:56 pm

100% a 7.62mm NATO drill round.

1957, that’s an early one!!!
The 7.62 NATO calibre L1A1 SLR (Self Loading Rifle) was introduced in 1954 (both rifle and calibre came into use in that year), but was initially used for battlefield trials before officially being signed into service in September 1958, replacing the .303 Lee Enfield.

That is for sure a keeper, being so early! Excellent find. ::g ::g ::g

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Re: Dummy 303

Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:02 pm

Pete E wrote:
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Don't recall them being fluted, but it was along time ago!
You could be thinking of the later (1970s/80s) L1A2 drill rounds, or the L3A1 inspection rounds. Both have little or no flutes. ::g

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Re: Dummy 303

Post by Johnnn » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:51 pm

Hi MM,
I have two different types in my first pic, there are 3 x .303 practice rounds dated 1914 and 1915 so WW1, the second pic at first I thought the "lone ranger" had lost some of his silver bullets but they are from a more modern type of rifle......HH...Johnnn
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Re: Dummy 303

Post by fred » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:29 pm

Pete E wrote:
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Its 7.62mm Nato as already mentioned...I don't think it as dummy round though as all the ones I saw (and used!) were generally painted, red IIRC.

I really can't think why I never used or even came across 7.62 drill rounds. :-/
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Re: Dummy 303

Post by fred » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:33 pm

Johnnn wrote:
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Hi MM,
I have two different types in my first pic, there are 3 x .303 practice rounds dated 1914 and 1915 so WW1, the second pic at first I thought the "lone ranger" had lost some of his silver bullets but they are from a more modern type of rifle......HH...Johnnntraining bullets.jpgIMG_4219.JPGtraining bullets.jpg

Photo a bit unclear.

If the mark is OA they should have been made at the Allegany Ordnance Plant, US in 1960. The cross in a circle means Nato specification so 1960 is possible. However, that facility stopped producing ammunition after WW2. If it is DA then Dominion Arsenal, Québec, Canada. The round bullet head is a tad unusual too. I'd love to know exactly what this bullet is. :D
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Re: Dummy 303

Post by Johnnn » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:55 pm

It is a "one piece" dummy round and is DA so dominium arms …..HH....Johnn

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Re: Dummy 303

Post by fred » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:10 pm

Johnnn wrote:
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It is a "one piece" dummy round and is DA so dominium arms …..HH....Johnn
Thanks. So with a head like that what size do you think that is it likely to be? NATO used lots of different sized ammunition. The Canadians and the Brits both used 7.62 on their standard service rifles in 1960 but that doesn't look like a 7.62 round to me.
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Re: Dummy 303

Post by Johnnn » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:29 pm

Get back to you with the size have to dig out my Vernia caliper ….HH...Johnnn

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Re: Dummy 303

Post by Johnnn » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:47 pm

It reads out at just under .300" (inches) ...Johnnn

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Re: Dummy 303

Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:17 pm

Nice rounds, John ::g
That’s for sure another 7.62mm NATO drill, made by Dominion Arsenal in 1960. I believe (going by memory!) that the DA factory closed in the early ‘60s, or there abouts.
That is an early Canadian version of a drill round, made of a single piece of brass that is tin plated. It’s amazing just how many variants of these things there are!

This thread on the International Ammunition Association has the same version of Canadian drill round. ::g
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t ... es/14218/3

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Re: Dummy 303

Post by Johnnn » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:44 pm

wow, that's an interesting site I see a few more there that I have found .Thanks MM.....HH...Johnnn

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