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ID require .303 cartridges

Post by Riven » Tue May 14, 2019 5:34 pm

Hi all, recently found 3 .303 cases that have no markings. Now I have looked on here at the excellent database and it leads me to think they may be blanks. Any ideas would be appreciated.
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Post by Muddyknee » Tue May 14, 2019 5:52 pm

Blanks would have a crimped tip.
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Post by Muddyknee » Tue May 14, 2019 5:57 pm

Also a pic would help.......
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Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut » Tue May 14, 2019 6:17 pm

No headstamps certainly sounds as though it will be a blank, will need a pic to be sure. Typically, when .303 cartridges fail quality control, they are normally either made as blanks or drill rounds (whenever possible). Sometimes, the failing in QC might happen before it is headstamped. So no headstamps appear when these failed cartridges are made into blanks. ::g

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Re: ID require .303 cartridges

Post by fred » Tue May 14, 2019 6:32 pm

Are you sure that the marks on the cartridges haven't been eroded or abraded by the ground conditions. A lot of the ones that I find these days are more or less unidentifiable. :D
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Post by GeorgeMK » Tue May 14, 2019 6:50 pm

Photos needed.

There are a few things they could be.

303 blank with a short neck and rose crimp closure.
303 blank with a long neck and rose crimp closure.
303 grenade launcher cartridge.
303 cartridge (ball, tracer, AP, etc.)
303 wood bulleted blank.
(damaged) 303 drill round.
Cartridge initiator.
Newton trench mortar launching cartridge.
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Post by Koala » Tue May 14, 2019 7:23 pm

could just be a very faint headstamp. They often are.


without a photo we can guess just about any .300, .303, .308


also not all foreign factory used headstamps

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t ... -303/28340

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Post by Riven » Tue May 14, 2019 8:41 pm

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Hopefully this helps.
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Post by GeorgeMK » Tue May 14, 2019 8:59 pm

With the necks gone it’s hard to say what they were, other than a .303 variant. Take a close look at the base with a loupe or magnifying glass for any faint markings.

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Post by Junior » Wed May 15, 2019 5:12 am

Is that a "L " I can see at 12 o clock ? :D

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Post by GeorgeMK » Wed May 15, 2019 7:35 am

Junior wrote:
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Is that a "L " I can see at 12 o clock ? :D
If it is, it could be Royal Laboratory, Woolwich.

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Post by Koala » Wed May 15, 2019 9:08 am

need some wire wool 0000 grade on them.

they do indeed look to have a headstamp


There are several options "L" on its own or in combination


http://www.dave-cushman.net/shot/303headstamps.html

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Re: ID require .303 cartridges

Post by shaggybfc » Wed May 15, 2019 10:51 am

Every day is a school day. I didn't realise there was such an interest or even diversity with these. I'll have to pay attention in future before they're launched into the scrap bin.
I found a large live black tipped round in the field the other week, and took it to one of the more experienced club members to seek advice. He explained that it was a 50 cal and would probably fallen from a 2nd WW aircraft. He then proceeded to snap the bullet from the casing - gave me the tip and threw the casing in the bottom of a hedge... I was a little shocked - he just laughed and walked off...
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Post by GeorgeMK » Wed May 15, 2019 11:27 am

shaggybfc wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 10:51 am
Every day is a school day. I didn't realise there was such an interest or even diversity with these. I'll have to pay attention in future before they're launched into the scrap bin.
I found a large live black tipped round in the field the other week, and took it to one of the more experienced club members to seek advice. He explained that it was a 50 cal and would probably fallen from a 2nd WW aircraft. He then proceeded to snap the bullet from the casing - gave me the tip and threw the casing in the bottom of a hedge... I was a little shocked - he just laughed and walked off...
Not a sensible thing to do.
The primed case has potential to injure someone, it could subsequently be found in the hedge by a child who then decides to see if it will go bang, damaging ears, eyes or fingers.
The black tip indicates that it was an armour piercing round, and as such the projectile on its own is subject to UK firearms licensing. (Section 5 authority required). It should have been handed it in to the police.

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Re: ID require .303 cartridges

Post by Koala » Wed May 15, 2019 1:20 pm

most military headstamps give the factory and date.


beach 50 cal have all been from the USA. All 300/303 have been UK


must mean something although it could just be coincidences

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Re: ID require .303 cartridges

Post by Johnnn » Wed May 15, 2019 1:32 pm

Hi R,
I have had access to a WW1 site for many years and have found a few thousand cases, yours look like WW1 type as the percussion cap is slightly rounded WW2 they are flat, heres a couple of pics...HH...John
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Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut » Wed May 15, 2019 2:47 pm

Johnnn wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:32 pm
Hi R,
I have had access to a WW1 site for many years and have found a few thousand cases, yours look like WW1 type as the percussion cap is slightly rounded WW2 they are flat, heres a couple of pics...HH...John1913 blank round.JPG1913 blank round.JPG
Also, another means of IDing a rough date is the rim. Pre-1916 cartridges have a slight chamfer on the rim edge. The chamfer was meant ease loading from the magazine, but really, it didn’t make much of a difference. ::g

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