Old pistol found in roof space, any ideas of age etc?

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This is not a detecting find, but thought somebody might be able to help.

A friend found this pistol between the gable and roof of his old stone cottage (in North Argyll, Scotland). It was wrapped in a plaid material that disintegrated in his hands. It's a lovely piece to handle, the ramrod and firing mechanism still move freely and the flint is till in place. I know nothing about firearms so would appreciate any help with date,ID etc.

Many thanks, Ewan
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I've no idea, but wow!
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Excellent find, there a few woodwormy looking holes on it. I would get someone to check the roof. :;@
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Oh what a Cool find ::g It Doesn`t look particularly like its been a rich persons flashy tooled type of pistol , but never the less it's a super find ,and of course one which isn`t found on a regular basis.
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Wow, that is one cool find. Well done to your mate. ::g

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Wowzers,i like it..How old is your mates cottage??,cd ::g
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Here you go courtesy of West Street Antiques, Dorking. I sent them an ID request.

It is a flintlock Officers pistol circa 1810 (picture attached)
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Their website is http://www.antiquearmsandarmour.com/

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WVAM wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:39 pm
Here you go courtesy of West Street Antiques, Dorking. I sent them an ID request.

It is a flintlock Officers pistol circa 1810 (picture attached)Screen Shot 2020-03-26 at 17.37.01.png

Their website is http://www.antiquearmsandarmour.com/

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Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut »

Wow, what a find. That should actually clean up relatively well ::g

Just to confirm, this pistol will exempt from requiring a licence under Section 58 (2) of the 1968 Firearms Act, which as it obviously predates 1939, is classed as an antique and is perfectly fine to keep as is. ::g

Have fun with the cleaning! :D

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You're very welcome - I always press my nose on the window when I go by the shop.

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Wow what a cracking find well done. happy days. ::g

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Top class find

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In the same circumstances when restoring my house in france i found a Briquet sabre brand new in the leather scabbard.I need to bring in back in the UK to clean it and display in in my bedroom :D :D :D :D


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That is a lovely old pistol, late 1700 to early 1800 I would think, by the way,tell your mate that his roof rafters could well be in need of attention.... ::g
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great find, please don't clean it, leave it in its aged condition, it is what it is

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erm1969 wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:43 pm
This is not a detecting find, but thought somebody might be able to help.

A friend found this pistol between the gable and roof of his old stone cottage (in North Argyll, Scotland). It was wrapped in a plaid material that disintegrated in his hands. It's a lovely piece to handle, the ramrod and firing mechanism still move freely and the flint is till in place. I know nothing about firearms so would appreciate any help with date,ID etc.

Many thanks, Ewan
It will be cool if you could find a spare stock..........


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Love it, wish my roof had anything that old. But ideally without signs of woodworm :-O
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Tell your friend not to cock and dry fire the pistol. Apart from risking damage to the cock and frizzen, pistols were often kept loaded, and even after many years if it is still loaded it could harm someone.

Put a stick down the bore and see how far it goes in. If it doesn’t reach as far as the touchhole it could well be loaded.

There are several dealers that sell the tools and materials suitable for restoring such items, and they can advise you accordingly. Google these two.

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How lovely is that, well found.
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If I might, I would suggest that you get in contact with a professional conservator once this COVID-19 situation is over. Some woodworm holes and they might be able to apply treatments to prevent any further deterioration.
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Here is one of mine, itnis a military calibre at .65 inch, a percussion cap muzle loader from 1820 ish.
Though it is a personal side arm,rather than a military pistol.
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Very cool & the flint's in good knick ;)
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Amazing discovery.Thanks for posting. ::g Jerry.

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geoff wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:43 pm
Here is one of mine, itnis a military calibre at .65 inch, a percussion cap muzle loader from 1820 ish.
Though it is a personal side arm,rather than a military pistol.
That is nice condition Geoff. What is the name on the lock-plate?

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GeorgeMK wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:10 am
geoff wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:43 pm
Here is one of mine, itnis a military calibre at .65 inch, a percussion cap muzle loader from 1820 ish.
Though it is a personal side arm,rather than a military pistol.
That is nice condition Geoff. What is the name on the lock-plate?
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geoff wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:45 am
GeorgeMK wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:10 am
geoff wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:43 pm
Here is one of mine, itnis a military calibre at .65 inch, a percussion cap muzle loader from 1820 ish.
Though it is a personal side arm,rather than a military pistol.
That is nice condition Geoff. What is the name on the lock-plate?
Stevens, london,he had a workshop from 1823 to 1842 in High Holborn.
Thanks Geoff. There was also a Stevens at Plumstead, maybe the same man or a relative? The pistol being percussion looks later than 1820’s.

STEVENS, Henry Robert.
77 Plumstead Road,
Plumstead,
Kent.
1865-1870

(Edit: Just seen where it came from. Long established and knowledgable dealer)
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That's a fantastic discovery to make. I'm always surprised (well, disappointed actually) that I never find any gun parts on my civil war site. I did once find what I thought was a top jaw screw but typically it turned out to be a bit of 18thc furniture.

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GeorgeMK wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:07 am
geoff wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:45 am
GeorgeMK wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:10 am


That is nice condition Geoff. What is the name on the lock-plate?
Stevens, london,he had a workshop from 1823 to 1842 in High Holborn.
Thanks Geoff. There was also a Stevens at Plumstead, maybe the same man or a relative? The pistol being percussion looks later than 1820’s.

STEVENS, Henry Robert.
77 Plumstead Road,
Plumstead,
Kent.
1865-1870

(Edit: Just seen where it came from. Long established and knowledgable dealer)
I have had a couple of pieces from that dealer, they are a good reliable source.
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Great story, lovey find ::g
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Great find ::g

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