Good stony field shovel?

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Good stony field shovel?

Post by MikeyP » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:09 pm

Hi

I have got permissions in some rater stoney fields, I use a small Draper spade atm, and was wondering if there is anything better to use?

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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by sweepstick47 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:17 pm

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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by Phil2401 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:25 pm

I've also got one of those little yellow Draper spades - fine in most circumstances.

I splashed out a while ago on an Evolution stainless steel one with serrated edges - about £60 - gives you more confidence that it's less likely to break, but doesn't really make digging any easier in hard ground.

Probably no help at all!

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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by Steve_T » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:48 pm

you are going to need a good quality one that will not bend or break in the soil conditions we have now
The MDF shop has a good selection. Also a good section here if you want to read peoples reviews on what they have

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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by pengles » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:50 pm

I use a Wilkinson Sword stainless steel border spade. Used an angle grinder to make it into a 'V' shape, then sharpened the digging edge on a bench grinder like a knife blade. Out today on a field full of flint and soil like concrete. Normally it goes through like butter, but conditions at the moment are horrendous. I now carry a mini mattock/pick bought from Wickes as it's the only way to get into my dry stony ground. Good luck.
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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by Koala » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:59 pm

MikeyP wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:09 pm
Hi

I have got permissions in some rater stoney fields, I use a small Draper spade atm, and was wondering if there is anything better to use?

Thanks
Better in what way

Easier to push in to the ground

Or stronger leverage

Or longer handle so easier on the back

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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by ninja nige » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:04 pm

often overlooked for metal detecting.....the fork ::g
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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by littleboot » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:10 pm

In France mattocks are popular when the ground gets baked hard.
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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by garrettoldboy » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:29 pm

hello, we use to buy a stainless shovel and cut it down to a nice size like pengle mentioned then weld a slim foot plate on both top sides big enough to go under sturdy boots

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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by oldartefact » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:33 pm

This will do the job...
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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by alfaowner » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:16 pm

I’d recommend Getting a decent spade .... I’ve been detecting for 8 years and in that time my spades only had 6 heads and 6 new handles :D ::g

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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by Taxino8 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:21 pm

ninja nige wrote:
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often overlooked for metal detecting.....the fork ::g
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I agree, I used mine today as the ground was like concrete and I don’t think any shovel would have touched it. Just a shame I didn’t have a battery powered Kango.
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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by andy1972 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:25 pm

as a groundworker i do plenty of digging in all sorts of ground. i would recommend a grafting shovel, ive just looked them up online and a bulldog one is less than twenty quid. if you get an all metal one and know someone with a welder you can cut them down to suit. ive had mine for years at work and it's never let me down yet. all the best.

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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by liamnolan » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:31 pm

Phil2401 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:25 pm
I've also got one of those little yellow Draper spades - fine in most circumstances.

I splashed out a while ago on an Evolution stainless steel one with serrated edges - about £60 - gives you more confidence that it's less likely to break, but doesn't really make digging any easier in hard ground.

Probably no help at all!

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Re: Good stony field shovel?

Post by Koala » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:51 am

Sandy ground is always diggable no matter how dry it get.

Not that we always have a choice.



I was watching some abouriginals digging up some roots on TV. The were using big iron bars with a point on the end. Seem to work well as the weight helped.

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Re: Good stony field shovel?

Post by Easylife » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:15 am

A good strong pointy spade and a handy sized mattock maybe. Or even just take a full size mattock for baked stoney ground if you can't wait for the rain. :D
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Re: Good stony field shovel?

Post by chip » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:16 am

Koala wrote:
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Sandy ground is always diggable no matter how dry it get.

Not that we always have a choice.



I was watching some abouriginals digging up some roots on TV. The were using big iron bars with a point on the end. Seem to work well as the weight helped.
I have a 5 foot chisel and point, it’s awsome. I used it to get the roots out when I cut down my apple tree and to break up my concrete patio.

A bit much for detecting though :D
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Re: Good stony field shovel?

Post by chip » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:25 am

Where I was today there were a few fields available but I decided to concentrate on about 40 % of one field as in my opinion every thing was undiggable. To get more than a couple of inches down required serious hacking and scrapping. And I figured that anything that may be in those areas was better left there until conditions improved as it would probably be destroyed by my efforts to retrieve it.
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Re: Good stony field shovel?

Post by Wigeon » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:36 am

I bought the Evolution spade (no teeth model) via MDF shop. It really is an excellent piece of kit. Very strong and sharp too. Their customer service is top drawer and they will make the handle to length you want.

I have found it a tremendous benefit, especially when the ground is hard/stony/etc. You can also put some force onto the spade and it wont damage your boot sole.

I doubt that I could ever wear it out or break it. If I lost it, I would buy another pdq.
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Re: Good stony field shovel?

Post by Phil2401 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:43 pm

Koala's wrecking bar, Chips' chisel and Taxino 8's battery powered Kango would all do the trick.

Even the best, strongest spade won't cut through large flints and other stones - just need to dig a wider hole to avoid the stones where possible or if that isn't possible, convince yourself it wasn't worth digging anyway :)

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Re: Good stony field shovel?

Post by f8met » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:29 am

I have a black ada but I have found you can bend the blades on these if you are not careful which involves a bit of bashing back into shape. I have in the past found the nearest crack and work towards my target from there.
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Re: Good stony field shovel?

Post by Ladybird66 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:47 am

Many years ago we built a raised bed, on a slope, in the garden. In our stupidity we edged it with half round rails. You guessed it, they eventually went rotten.
Hubby decided to replace them and easily removed the first of the old ones. We were amazed to see the soil behind, which is about 2 1/2 foot high, was rock solid right to the bottom.
Just an indication of how realy dry everywhere is.

Job now left till weather cools down.

I bought a mini pick for paths. First, and only time I used it, went strait through a George 3rd copper. Not recommend ::g

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Re: Good stony field shovel?

Post by Detectski » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:00 am

This would probably do the trick..

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Re: Good stonny field shovel

Post by Lowland » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:31 pm

ninja nige wrote:
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