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Hi Guys....
I have just bought a Simplex+
I have never owned a detector with a visual read out of any sort before!! ( I use a Golden Mask 5...old model!)
Can anyone help with read out identification on the numbers with different metals ...also ...I find the headphones ( wireless) rather quiet compared to the GM ....I have turned the volume up to 4 bars on the machine...is that it ???
Sorry for such basic questions ...but any help will be greatly appreciated!!!
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Hello Bradlo, as your topic is specific towards the Nokta / Makro brand I have moved it to the more relevant forum here ::g

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The easy way would be to grab some coins and wave the coil over them to see what range they come in at, but to be honest, you are better off learning the sounds the simplex gives you, this shouldn't take to long as you come from a sound only machine.

Cant help with the headphone question, sorry ::g



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It's pretty variable to be honest! Iron (and other ferrous metals) tend to be in the very low ranges and are identified by the low 'fart' tone. Aluminium is a bit of a nightmare depending on size / thickness and can be anywhere from 18-80 (but rarely over 80).

The trouble is the ground conditions and soil type can affect the TID so what one user gets in one field can be a fair bit different to somebody else.

Here is the list I have compiled so far with my Simplex +


04 - Gold sovereign (high pitch)
18,19 - tiny bit of alu trash foil with writing on
18,19 - thin gold, gold pendant
21 - gold ring
20-23 - gold earring
22 - small piece of foil
24 - Gold ring
24 - Aluminium trash
25 - Hammered silver
27,29 - Aluminium foil trash (lovely blue)
29 - old 10p on surface (high pitch)
28-31 - alu can trash (med)
32,33 - Aluminium trash (medium)
34-38 - Thick gold ring
34 - small silver hammered
35 - gold sovereign
35 - 39 - Ring pull
37 - gold coin, thick
42,43 - alum can trash, large (red)
46,47,48 - alum can, large piece
49,- alum can trash (large) small blue
55 - alu can section (pie slice)
60,62 -alu trash tin can large
63-65 - steel white bottle cap
65 - silver sixpence
66 - large silver hammered
67,68 - pound coin (old), most other coins.
70 - zip
71 - large english old penny
72,73 - small silver coin
74,75 - large alu can (lager) on surface
74,74 - Large old penny
79 - medium silver coin
79,80 - Full diet coke can
82 - large silver coin
83,84,85 - steel bottle cap (70 ish when dug)
88,89 - old copper hinge
90 - penny (on surface)
90,91 - red bottle cap
92,92 - silver ring
94-98 - silver rings
Most silver is 90-100.

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Cheers BM that's really useful ....I will just have to persevere and get used to it!!!!
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TinDigger wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:23 pm
It's pretty variable to be honest! Iron (and other ferrous metals) tend to be in the very low ranges and are identified by the low 'fart' tone. Aluminium is a bit of a nightmare depending on size / thickness and can be anywhere from 18-80 (but rarely over 80).

The trouble is the ground conditions and soil type can affect the TID so what one user gets in one field can be a fair bit different to somebody else.

Here is the list I have compiled so far with my Simplex +


04 - Gold sovereign (high pitch)
18,19 - tiny bit of alu trash foil with writing on
18,19 - thin gold, gold pendant
21 - gold ring
20-23 - gold earring
22 - small piece of foil
24 - Gold ring
24 - Aluminium trash
25 - Hammered silver
27,29 - Aluminium foil trash (lovely blue)
29 - old 10p on surface (high pitch)
28-31 - alu can trash (med)
32,33 - Aluminium trash (medium)
34-38 - Thick gold ring
34 - small silver hammered
35 - gold sovereign
35 - 39 - Ring pull
37 - gold coin, thick
42,43 - alum can trash, large (red)
46,47,48 - alum can, large piece
49,- alum can trash (large) small blue
55 - alu can section (pie slice)
60,62 -alu trash tin can large
63-65 - steel white bottle cap
65 - silver sixpence
66 - large silver hammered
67,68 - pound coin (old), most other coins.
70 - zip
71 - large english old penny
72,73 - small silver coin
74,75 - large alu can (lager) on surface
74,74 - Large old penny
79 - medium silver coin
79,80 - Full diet coke can
82 - large silver coin
83,84,85 - steel bottle cap (70 ish when dug)
88,89 - old copper hinge
90 - penny (on surface)
90,91 - red bottle cap
92,92 - silver ring
94-98 - silver rings
Most silver is 90-100.
Unless you`ve got Hyperthymesia what is the point ?
You`ll never remember any hardly any of them . Train your ears, & go by the sound in your ears ,
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Bors wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:59 pm
Unless you`ve got Hyperthymesia what is the point ?
You`ll never remember any hardly any of them . Train your ears, & go by the sound in your ears ,


I always wear extra layers as it's easier to peel one off if i get too hot. Little gel hand warmers are also good. Do you mean the tinnitus..??? =)) =))

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I have used a similar list myself over the years, nowhere as detailed but it certainly does give you a rough idea what types of metals you are likely to find under the different target numbers, I think it also helps you to understand and gain confidence with the machine ::g
Obviously has already mentioned there will be certain situation where a similar coin will give different numbers, it maybe corroded, it maybe on its side in the ground and so many others reasons why numbers can differ.
Also it can be a little bit of fun finding a target and seeing if it does actually match a find on your list ::g

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The only reply which springs to mind mrix ,with respect is ,I havn`t got the want ,or the time to be pulling out and checking down a list a foot long.
If I get a good target sound and I have a meter. I will take a quick glance at the Meter just to let me know If I`m looking at a Low ,Medium,or High Target but that's only because its there, and its a very quick confirmation check which will split them into three possibilities for me , but apart from that, my ears to the decision making.
If I was to stand about looking down a "Chart" , I bet if I calculated how long in say four hours I stood looking at checking as to what number each target came in at , your talking about a fair O`l waste of detecting time. It's so unnecessary really. Id love to know how many detectorists actually carry such a list around with them? My guess is very very few ,especially seasoned detectorists.
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Hi Bors, I dont think anyone will be standing around using a ID chart especially with so many different target Id`s.
I think its just simple way to get to understand how your machine reacts to different targets, We see this many times at the MDF, a New machine comes along and basically members / people just use them to get a rough idea how the machine is reacting to various targets it sort of gains a reassurance ::g

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TinDigger wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:23 pm
It's pretty variable to be honest! Iron (and other ferrous metals) tend to be in the very low ranges and are identified by the low 'fart' tone. Aluminium is a bit of a nightmare depending on size / thickness and can be anywhere from 18-80 (but rarely over 80).

The trouble is the ground conditions and soil type can affect the TID so what one user gets in one field can be a fair bit different to somebody else.

Here is the list I have compiled so far with my Simplex +


04 - Gold sovereign (high pitch)
18,19 - tiny bit of alu trash foil with writing on
18,19 - thin gold, gold pendant
21 - gold ring
20-23 - gold earring
22 - small piece of foil
24 - Gold ring
24 - Aluminium trash
25 - Hammered silver
27,29 - Aluminium foil trash (lovely blue)
29 - old 10p on surface (high pitch)
28-31 - alu can trash (med)
32,33 - Aluminium trash (medium)
34-38 - Thick gold ring
34 - small silver hammered
35 - gold sovereign
35 - 39 - Ring pull
37 - gold coin, thick
42,43 - alum can trash, large (red)
46,47,48 - alum can, large piece
49,- alum can trash (large) small blue
55 - alu can section (pie slice)
60,62 -alu trash tin can large
63-65 - steel white bottle cap
65 - silver sixpence
66 - large silver hammered
67,68 - pound coin (old), most other coins.
70 - zip
71 - large english old penny
72,73 - small silver coin
74,75 - large alu can (lager) on surface
74,74 - Large old penny
79 - medium silver coin
79,80 - Full diet coke can
82 - large silver coin
83,84,85 - steel bottle cap (70 ish when dug)
88,89 - old copper hinge
90 - penny (on surface)
90,91 - red bottle cap
92,92 - silver ring
94-98 - silver rings
Most silver is 90-100.

Jesus! I’ve been ignoring the signals below 35!!!
Think o need to start digging more!
On the plus side I went out today on some land I thought I’d done to death with the AT Pro and pulled up 7 silvers!
Absolutely love the simplex!!

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If the signal clean and sounds the same from all directions and the numbers don't jump all over the place dig it, there will be varying degrees ie you might get a bit of a break in the signal and the numbers might jump a bit until you get to know the machine these will be worth digging.

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if in doubt dig it ,thats why i seem to come home with biggest bag of rubbish after every dig ,not sure about simplex (although thinking of getting one in next month or so)but on the garret the numbers are a rough indicator same thing can come up with 5-6 different numbers depending on ground and depth ,so id just did everything to start with and you will soon get a rough idea

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Admittedly I haven't had many other different detectors to compare with but I don't find the 3 tones on the Simplex very descriptive (in field mode at least). The ferrous grunts are pretty obvious but apart from that it must take a lot of experience and a very keen ear to make any kind of reasonable judgement.

That's why I started recording numbers on my iphone. More out of interest than anything else, but until we are all seasoned pro's, it's a good starter for 10.

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What Dondo says is pretty much the best advice.
I've had a few Garretts so the Simplex was all new to me as the vdi was totally different .
No matter if the numbers are low med or high, if they don't jump around by say more than 20 or 30 (ie stable) from all directions then dig it.
Give it time and you'll get to understand the sounds better each time you go out and you will go more by the sounds than the numbers then you will start digging less trash.
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If the VID is all over the place from various angles.... what does that typically signify?

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Mine seems to chatter a lot, today it was going mad as I was putting my arm in the arm cup , my coil wire is loose so I’m hoping it could be that..

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TinDigger wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:26 pm
If the VID is all over the place from various angles.... what does that typically signify?
If your getting a low number as well, its likely it's Iron .
PS ,It could also be that your over some mineralised patch of ground and it's sending your numbers haywire ,if you move along they should settle down but its not unusual for the Digital numbers to "fluctuate a little ",as your detecting,Its just the ground being reacted to by the sensitivity of the detector.
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olstonsurf wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:42 pm
Mine seems to chatter a lot, today it was going mad as I was putting my arm in the arm cup , my coil wire is loose so I’m hoping it could be that..
Were you near any electricity pylons? Mine chatters if I get too close to them. Also, try changing the frequency to F1 or F3.

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