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Much like my eyeballs this morning, thanks to a night on Gussie Crumplequiff's best home-made. By gor, what does he put in that stuff? It certainly does the job, though the old synapses take a bit of a hammering and it's inadvisable to smoke within twenty feet of it. But I digress...

What ho,

Following on from Oxgirl's Big and Green thread, I thought I'd share my eyes-only finds from yesterday (when said minces were luckily functioning as they should).

My favourite field has been ploughed and flattened and I was really looking forward to the new goodies which would hopefully have been turfed up. But almost as good as that was the fact that there was no crop to mask any non-metal surface finds and it wasn't long before pottery started turning up.

See, one thing which has puzzled me about this field is the fact that there was clearly ancient activity going on there but only two or three pieces of pottery had made themselves known in the three years I've been on it. It didn't add up. The holy grail for me was a piece of samian ware and it was while Jenks was digging a target that I noticed a red edge sticking out of a nearby clod and, at last, I had my piece of samian ware :D ::g
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I'm rubbish at identifying pottery at the best of times but I do think the other sherds have a lot of age to them, too. See what the FLO thinks.

The soil was unbelievably fluffy and still dry so conductivity wasn't at its best, but I still managed a couple of battered coppers, four barely recognisable grots, a squarish thing that had me thinking it was a Roman die until I cleaned it and, find of the day, a Roman steelyard weight ::g
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Bit more rain to help consolidate the soil and I rather think this field's going to come up trumps again.

Pip pip ::g

Anyone got something for a head that feels like it's trying to separate into two equal but jagged halves, by the way? :(
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Pint of water and sleep 💤

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Water? Hmm, water... I think I've heard of it somewhere before...

Ah, is it that stuff that looks like gin but tastes of nothing? ::g
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Water? It needs alcohol to be sterile enough to drink surely?

Nice devils toenail you have there. I believe they used to think that ground up and added to a tincture was a good remedy for a lot of stomach complaints :D (Can’t prove it though :D ). The pottery bodes well - you’ll have your eyes scanning for that even more now I hope. Congratulations on the samian ware - only ever had one piece of it ::g
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Ground-up toenails? Oh lord, you can add a dodgy stomach to the list thanks to the thought of that :-&
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Well done on the Samian and being patterned is better than the 2 fragments I have managed to accrue but they are still treasured.
Also like the pot rims, only managed one so far.
Well done, ::g
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Cheers, Dave ::g

The most satisfying thing is that the pottery is a missing part of the jigsaw. The other missing part is Celtic/iron age stuff but I'm sure it's there somewhere.
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I just cannot connect with pottery ! Don't let that dampen any enthusiasm, and I might actually learn a thing or two reading about it, but I am more likely to bring back a piece of slag than pottery. Part of that I think is from being in countries where a lot of tipping goes on. Nice countryside but on the ground here and there patches of modern tile fragments etc. , and occasionally small piles of rubble. So when I see pottery the first thing I think of is it having been dumped. Your Samian fragment, I would have called it a piece of brick. Then there are sometimes areas where there are older looking pottery, but is it one hundred or one thousand years old ? It usually says something about the site to me in a friendly way, but I never feel tempted closer than picking up a piece and then putting it back. In a museum they have five hundred year old pottery and I could swear it came from the local market. I looked up Samian style and we find that at the garden centre :( . I don't know, about the only pottery that really catches my attention are very old pit fired almost stone-age kinds, like where the piece itself was completely individual, not so much just the decoration. Being surface finds I'm sure Jenks fully approves of that direction of interest, just wait till he has to dig up a whole field to find the missing fragment of a jug or plate though, not as if he wasn't told.

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I'm kind of with you with regards pottery, Incog. I was really pleased to find the Samian for the reasons stated above but I don't really connect with pottery the same way I do with metal. Sherds get shown to the FLO and then, unless they have anything interesting about them, put in a bag and pretty much forgotten about.

I've got three bits from differing ages in the finds cabinet and that's about it. Interesting for what it can tell you about a site but that's about as far as it goes for me.
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I'm kind of with you with regards pottery, Incog. I was really pleased to find the Samian for the reasons stated above but I don't really connect with pottery the same way I do with metal. Sherds get shown to the FLO and then, unless they have anything interesting about them, put in a bag and pretty much forgotten about.

I've got three bits from differing ages in the finds cabinet and that's about it. Interesting for what it can tell you about a site but that's about as far as it goes for me.
I used to feel like that till I found a field full of decorated shards. Then it becomes interesting. And the local pottery sometimes has applied faces and other mythical beasts so I am on the look out for a piece with something like that on. If it was all Roman grey ware or an odd bit of medieval with a thin wash of green glaze I’d be wholly unimpressed.

Surely a piece of decorated samian might pique your interest though?
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Oxgirl36 wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:56 am
thefiggis wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:25 am
I'm kind of with you with regards pottery, Incog. I was really pleased to find the Samian for the reasons stated above but I don't really connect with pottery the same way I do with metal. Sherds get shown to the FLO and then, unless they have anything interesting about them, put in a bag and pretty much forgotten about.

I've got three bits from differing ages in the finds cabinet and that's about it. Interesting for what it can tell you about a site but that's about as far as it goes for me.
I used to feel like that till I found a field full of decorated shards. Then it becomes interesting. And the local pottery sometimes has applied faces and other mythical beasts so I am on the look out for a piece with something like that on. If it was all Roman grey ware or an odd bit of medieval with a thin wash of green glaze I’d be wholly unimpressed.

Surely a piece of decorated samian might pique your interest though?
Samian is industrial replica imported ware, and you'd next be wanting the latest dishwasher technology and sensitive soap to protect the delicate finish. Absolutely nothing wrong with a copper bowl and some old slag to go with it. ::g

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Oxgirl36 wrote:
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Surely a piece of decorated samian might pique your interest though?
The decorated Samian is sitting comfortably in the display case, Cath. Looks good there ::g

I suppose if some more decorative stuff turns up it'll have me thinking differently but until then - into the drawer it goes!
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Are you sure that's samian tf ? Looks like it could be a lot earlier to me mate ( but I am certainly no expert) ::g

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alloverover wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:55 pm
Are you sure that's samian tf ? Looks like it could be a lot earlier to me mate
Neow, Phi-lip! There's me thinking I've nailed the missing link and then you go and throw a right proper Spaniard into the works! Right now I'm not sure whether to be disappointed, super-excited, kiss you full on the lips or smack you in the gob =)) =))

If it helps, here are a couple of closups but if this progresses any further then this thread is crossing over into the ID section and I'm in breach of the rules regarding scale and thereby in for a right royal wigging from admin (Bruce, basically, ;) ) (Serve him right for further jelly bean witholding anyway, by the way)
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but I am certainly no expert
And I'm the king of Siam.

Thanks, chap ::g

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Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:34 pm

Neow, Phi-lip! There's me thinking I've nailed the missing link and then you go and throw a right proper Spaniard into the works! Right now I'm not sure whether to be disappointed, super-excited, kiss you full on the lips or smack you in the gob =)) =))

=)) =)) =))

Haha, :D , its not Samian mate,too granular I would go a lot earlier, like I say, am no expert in pottery but its not fine ware, could be more interesting :D ::g

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This would be winging its way to the FLO anyway, but now I'll be awaiting the verdict with added anticipation.

Thanks for the heads-up, chap. For now I'll settle for a handshake, but be prepared to be pulled in for either a rabbit punch or a full-blown snog once the jury's in =)) =)) =))

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And don't you just love it whan a plan comes together?
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=)) ::g
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thefiggis wrote:
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And don't you just love it whan a plan comes together?

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=)) ::g
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=)) =)) =))

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