ID Challenge no.10 (17-20 Nov 18)

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ID Challenge no.10 (17-20 Nov 18)

Post by thefiggis » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:48 pm

What ho,

Another one for you to sharpen your teeth on. There are some darker areas in the image (cos the coin's a little bent) but there should be enough to enable a decent stab at monarch, mint and, for the sleuths, class.
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Scale omitted to enable larger images. COIN MEASURES 19MM IN DIAMETER.

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Post by Allectus » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:53 pm

Edward I 2b York penny.
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Post by oldartefact » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:20 pm

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Post by Junior » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:11 pm

Off the top of my head....no help from books.. ..edw penny

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Post by haveyoufound1yet » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:12 pm

Edward 1st York mint Royal class 2a&b mule I'm thinking, the neck/portrait looks class 2b and the crown looks 2a with that central fleur middle petal leaning slightly right and the left petal broken also the crown band looks 2a (Ref Rod Blunt early Edwardian pennies)

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Post by Buriedbytime&dust » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:22 pm

Edward I penny, York mint, class 9b.

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Post by Stillburning » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:29 pm

Edward I penny, class 2b, York mint
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Re: ID Challenge no.10 (17-20 Nov 18)

Post by thefiggis » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:41 pm

Many thanks to all who had a stab ::g

This was my thinking on it when researching:

There's a great site on early Edwardian pennies which is my go-to in trying to decypher these coins. You're looking for the little things such as any contractive marks (such as the wedge after EDWR), the shape of the crown and its ornaments (nicely described by haveyoufound1yet), the shape of the letters in the legend, and the initial mark (the cross at the 12 o'clock position on the obverse), in this case a cross potent.

The mint is relatively easy - you can clearly make out CIVITAS (they all say that) in the first two quarters, followed by EBO in the third. This can only be EBORACI (York) and when you know it you can see it in the shadowy portion of the reverse legend.

I have it listed in my records simply as a Class 2 as I couldn't make my mind up as to which sub-class, but reading further down the page on the above site for type 2 coins, it says
Coins of group 2 exist with the portrait of 2a and the crown of 2b, and with the portrait of 2b and the crown of 2a.
This again refelects what haveyoufound1yet says.

I find Edwardian pennies a bit of a trial but with practice I'm sure it'll all come good in the end for all of us ::g
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Re: ID Challenge no.10 (17-20 Nov 18)

Post by Buriedbytime&dust » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:52 pm

My usual score, two out of three and a complete fail on the class >:P

More practice required methinks, and these Challenges provide just that. Thanks again for running them ::g

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Re: ID Challenge no.10 (17-20 Nov 18)

Post by Allectus » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:00 am

It's 2b....Long neck, narrow face & thick, stubby wedges for drapery. ::g

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Re: ID Challenge no.10 (17-20 Nov 18)

Post by haveyoufound1yet » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:47 am

Allectus wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:00 am
It's 2b....Long neck, narrow face & thick, stubby wedges for drapery. ::g

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Hi Mr A
yes I totally agree the portrait is 2b but question the crown for the reasons listed in my original response to the challenge? ie central petal leaning right (isn't 2b straight up?) and possible broken left central petal? also the left hand outer fleur seems straighter more like the 2a rather than the 2b which seems all in all I think there's a case for a 2b 2a mule? as referenced in Rod Blunts work (your thoughts much appreciated :-)

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Re: ID Challenge no.10 (17-20 Nov 18)

Post by SuperRed » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:58 pm

Damn, missed this one Fig, but thanks for taking the time and keep 'em coming!

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Re: ID Challenge no.10 (17-20 Nov 18)

Post by Allectus » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:12 pm

The 2a crown is different. The left(as you look at it) leaf of the central fleur is mostly missing.

A mule is a coin with an obverse of one class & the reverse of another. ::g

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Re: ID Challenge no.10 (17-20 Nov 18)

Post by haveyoufound1yet » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:26 pm

Allectus wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:12 pm
The 2a crown is different. The left(as you look at it) leaf of the central fleur is mostly missing.

A mule is a coin with an obverse of one class & the reverse of another. ::g

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Ok Tony thanks for that........how would you describe the Rod blunt coins where the 2a crown and 2b portrait were mixed? ( and the other way round of coarse?)

cheers........

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