ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

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ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by thefiggis » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:39 pm

What ho,

This is an occasional series of threads designed to get an ID on an item, but with a difference. Here, you will have the opportunity to offer your opinion but you won't be influenced by other views as you won't be able to see them. The thread will be locked and you will have three days to submit your ID by using the ID Challenge form (link below). At the end of the allotted time the responses will be collated and put into a now re-opened thread for discussion.

The reason for the challenge format is to give everybody a chance to do their own research and come up with an idea without outside influence, the need to get in first, or indeed feeling that there's no need to offer an ID because someone else has already done it. Everyone is on an equal footing.

While we do of course learn from other people (and long may that continue) and the ID section will continue to run as normal,there's nothing like your own research to give a better, fuller understanding and this series should help us all with that.

So, we hope you'll enjoy the ID Challenge and that you get a lot out of it. You have three days to submit your ideas so no rush; take your time and if you change your mind then just submit another form.
==================== Challenge No.3
Start: Sunday 22-07-18
Thread opens for discussion: after 5.00pm on Wednesday 25-07-18

The item is a hammered coin (obviously!) and while most will have their own favourite research sites, the one posted by Liam might be of assistance to those who haven't seen it.

PLEASE NOTE that this coin has not been formally identified so there's no point in asking what the "answer" is at the end. The "answer" is whatever the concensus is and if you don't agree, then say so and discuss it ::g

Good luck.
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Post by Allectus » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:44 pm

Edward I class 2b London penny.
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Post by oldartefact » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:06 pm

Eddy I 10cf - the one eyed version (like me)
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Post by CTX_Phil » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:29 pm

London mint Edward III florin coinage penny???

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Post by Buriedbytime&dust » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:10 pm

Edward I penny, London mint. I'll have a punt at class 3g, though I'm far from sure on that!

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Post by Junior » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:17 pm

Ed 1 st penny

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Post by haveyoufound1yet » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:11 am

Edward 1st London mint penny Class 2b ,style of crown,style of R +where the wedged contraction mark is in line with the end of the A, Early open E and S.
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Post by mowdie » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:37 pm

Edward 1 long cross penny type 2a. Minted in London 1280.

I stand to be corrected on all points by the esteemed allectus.

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Post by shaggybfc » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:31 pm

I'm hopeless at these, but I'll go for, just for a laugh:-
Edward1, type 1C (1297) London mint - Spink 1382
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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by thefiggis » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:44 pm

The concensus (with 2 firm votes) seems to be an Edward I type 2b London penny

Blimey x;

Personally, I find hammered coins virtually indecypherable and the fact that you're virtually all in agreement as to the monarch has me in awe. Just the type of penny is the only major difference (which is hardly surprising) and there's a cracking explanation from haveyoufound1yet of how the type was arrived at in the responses above. No idea if it's correct, but it certainly looks impressive :D

Thanks to everyone who had a stab at it and you will hopefully have learned something from your research, regardless of having got it right or not ::g
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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by Blackadder43 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:48 pm

Well done peeps
i'll have to have a rummage in the depths of my finds bag and see if i have a find good enough to warrant being challenged
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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by shaggybfc » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:37 pm

I'm impressed I got somewhere near. I really enjoyed the research, and certainly doff my cap to the knowledge Allectus has. ::g ::g
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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by Junior » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:14 am

Hahahahà 2-1 I'm pulling it back .....cheers ::g

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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by mowdie » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:34 am

Well done Allectus and haveyoufound1yet.

I never expected anything less from Allectus. I have looked at the differences between the correctly identified class 2b penny and the 2a penny which I chose. I can now see where I made my mistakes.

I feel the need for a tutorial from either of these winners coming on. It is difficult for a beginner like me to identify any coin from multiple issues without spending time researching the item. Even then it is possible to get it wrong as can be plainly seen.

Congratulations to MDF for getting people interested in finding out about the items we all hope to find.

Looking forward to the next challenge already.

Kindest regards to all
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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by Buriedbytime&dust » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:37 am

I thought my punt on the class was unlikely to be correct. They all look so similar! :-/

Hey ho, my recent birthday brought Vol.2 of JJ North and a couple of books on the short and long cross coinage, so with the help of those on my bookshelf I hope to become a bit more adept at spotting those little differences :)

Thanks for putting on the ID Challenge series. It's a great idea ::g

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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by CTX_Phil » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:28 pm

I picked Eddy III just to be different 😂

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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by thefiggis » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:12 pm

CTX_Phil wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:28 pm
I picked Eddy III just to be different 😂
=))

Glad you're all enjoying it and, better yet, hitting the books and enjoying the research. Hammered identification is akin to witchcraft in my book, with often only the slightest of differences giving the clues as to what it is. But the satisfaction in getting to grips with the nuances and the knowledge gained is well worth the head scratching at the outset.
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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by CTX_Phil » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:15 pm

My thinking was the pellets looked joined on the reverse but not this time! Not a fan of id'ing Eddy pennies to be honest >:P

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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by oldartefact » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:30 pm

So its a 10cf then x; x; x; x; x;
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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by peteh » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:58 pm

It's the classes that baffle me. Got the Eddie bit with his crown :-L
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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by thefiggis » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:40 pm

I'm with you, Pete. I find the classes baffling but that might be because don't find hammereds very regularly so, with the memory I've got, any time I find one I have to start all over again :-L

Researching a coin is great fun, very rewarding, and if more people tried it I think they'd surprise themselves.
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Re: ID Challenge No 3 (22-25/07/18)

Post by haveyoufound1yet » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:18 pm

Anyone interested in the I.D. of Edward I & II pennies would certainly benefit from purchasing ''The Galata Guide to the pennies of Edward I and II and the coins of Berwick-upon-Tweed''
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