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Supertune a Laser Trident 2

Post by barnabythebear » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:07 pm

Hiya,

I'm about to push the button on a new Trident 2 and I just wanted to check wether they can be supertuned like its Tesoro sibling the Vaquero? Also, the Vaquero's depth can be improved by running a slightly negative ground balance, it would be nice if the Trident had this ability too?

Thank you,

Nige.


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Re: Supertune a Laser Trident 2

Post by Koala » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:58 am

Yes you can turn the threshold up.

Great detector.

In the field supertuning does not give you more depth like is shows on YouTube which are on shot on loud speaker. It will make deep signals sound louder. But you will loose the ability to tell how deep target are and the ability to use all metal mode. If you are using headphones as you should be you will hear the faint targets anyway.

Best to leave it normal or up just a bit and use headphones. This way you can still use all metal mode

Turning the sensitivity right up is fine air testing on the bench. In the field it will be giving false signals on every piece of coke.


Now ground balance. Get this wrong and you will loose sensitivity to big silver. If you move it back about 1/4 turn from being balanced in all metal mode will give you an extra inch or more in the field. Each detector is slightly different. Ground balance your machine then bury a large silver coin till its barely audible. Place a book or pank on the ground to lift the coil. Then turn the ground balance anti clockwise for the loudest sound. Note how much you've turned it then back the use that as your guide.

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Re: Supertune a Laser Trident 2

Post by Mega B » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:52 am

I use a Laser Trident11 Extreme but must admit the supertuning method does not turn me on either,its a US thing and sounds super sexy does it not :)) mine came with the the 11x8'' WS coil and although its a feather weight machine with that coil on,i just could not get on with that coil,so the machine although was brand new sat in a corner gathering dust.

But i use mine with the NEL Snake coil on all the time,great for really trashy sites and also for stubble busting,so the machine is getting far more use just by changing the coil for a smaller one.

Would i use a Trident11 as a everyday machine ?? my answer would be 'maybe' if i just had say one detector,but of course its personal choice,i dont think i would go out of my way and buy one for everyday use,i feel that other machines are far more capable,they are reliable and do work but nothing what i would say outstanding,how many detectorist do you see using one of these machines ?? very few,but you do see many other brands being used.Of course this is just my personal opinion from using one one of thee machines and observations.

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Re: Supertune a Laser Trident 2

Post by GC-1023 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:04 am

hi nige
i too had a trident 2 extreme
i didnt give it a real chance selling it again because it was 3" depth behind my sorex .
Looking back i was foolish ,given my video testing of both machines on nails and coins proved the trident better than any of my several machines at time .
it was very good on coin below nails with conc ,and still pretty good with DD fitted .
great machine to add to a arsenal.
best regards nigel
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Re: Supertune a Laser Trident 2

Post by barnabythebear » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:12 pm

Hi,

Thanks for the input guys - all very useful. Quite exited about getting hold of the Trident and hopefully give it a first run next weekend. Looking to add some wireless headphone too. Has anyone used these off of ebay? Unbranded versions of the Cscope ones I think?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/METAL-DETECTI ... SwnbZYI4V-" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks,

Nige.
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Re: Supertune a Laser Trident 2

Post by AnalogueSkywalker » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:13 pm

Many people are turned off by Tesoro/Laser machines, they don’t have a flashy interface, they are ‘no frills’ by definition and could not be called fashionable. What they do have in spades is genuinely top end performance, rugged build quality and reliability. One of the many negative myths associated with the brand is that they are a beep and dig machine, meaning that they give the same beep every time the coil is swung over anything metallic, and you have to dig to have any idea of what the target actually is. Not so. The so called ‘one tone’ audio discrimination is actually a ‘one pitch’ audio. That beep has lots of subtleties though, it might crackle or break up to indicate iron, it might be slightly clipped to suggest the target might be a good one thats pretty deep or possibly trash, the beep might be of longer or shorter duration, it might be scratchy or raspy, it might be harder or softer edged, it might even have a slightly boomy characteristic that in my experience can signal a hot rock under the coil. So you see, there is a whole language in the often subtle variations in that beep.

Digital VDI machines, in my experience, actually give less info about a target. They have eradicated the analogue audio subtleties, the ‘shades of grey’ as it were, in favour of yes/no, on/off type of audio response. This type of response can be more confusing on some targets, for example deeper targets can often give a jumbled VDI response and more than one tone as you swing the coil over the target, some digital machines even give a kind of generic ‘unknown target’ audio response, which is no help whatsoever.

I have a Fisher F19 which i love, i am not anti digital, i just think that the Tesoro analogue audio language gives more info to the trained ear.

I have been using Tesoro’s for three years, and i am still learning the subtleties of the audio, though to be fair my concentration is not that good, but i would say that the audio does take a long time to master, even if you are not a doofus like me.

Tesoro’s discriminate to their full depth capability, what digital machine can offer that?

Tesoro’s are for purists though, people that care little for the extraneous or superfluous. I actually find it amusing that my Trident 2 and Tejon are not held in particularly high esteem by the wider detecting community, i am a hundred percent confident that both machines are amongst the finest ever produced, and even amongst the latest releases, they still kick butt.

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Re: Supertune a Laser Trident 2

Post by Rivers rat » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:18 pm

Just bought my 2nd lobo i got 2 lobos 1 SSabre super tuned and had many Tesoros ,modded some,i think they are just brilliant machines.


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Re: Supertune a Laser Trident 2

Post by diggerdave1 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:13 am

Ive got to agree with AnalogueSkywalker, thumbs up ::g

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Re: Supertune a Laser Trident 2

Post by Rivers rat » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:36 pm

OOOOOOOOOOPS i just bought a Tejon..............found lots of gold with my first one......



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