CS4PI - First Detector - Wise?

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CS4PI - First Detector - Wise?

Post by Muzzaroo » Sat May 24, 2014 12:10 pm

Hello Everyone.

My name is Murray - From East Scotland.

I am looking to get into metal detecting for the first time and working out what would suit best my needs.

I would mainly be using it as a beach detector as I can easily get to various beaches using public transport vs not having a car getting to a particular field would be an issue.

Plan may well be to one day get a dedicated land machine as from what I understand PI machines are no use as such on land due to lack of disc?

I understand that PI means lots of digging - My local main beach is situated on the Tay estuary so a lot of flat sands one in particular stretches for miles.

I did look at the Garrett 250 / Euroace but for wet sand wouldn't be much use and it would be nice to do the more wet "unexplored" areas.

Any advice or comment from yourselves regarding my choice for the local beaches would be most welcomed and most appreciated.

I look forward to becoming a member of the community.

All the best and happy hunting.

Best wishes,

Murray



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Re: CS4PI - First Detector - Wise?

Post by mrix » Sat May 24, 2014 12:15 pm

Hello and welcome Murray, sounds like the Cscope Pi would be the ideal choice for your beaches ::g
As you explain it will be no good for inland without the discrimination, I personally knew someone who brought one along to a dig and within 15 minutes they decided it was impossible, packed up and went home. There is obviously other machines that will work inland and on the beach but it all depends on your budget.
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Re: CS4PI - First Detector - Wise?

Post by Nap » Sat May 24, 2014 1:00 pm

Hi - good detector but - correct me if I'm wrong - they don't discriminate so you will have to dig everything and you can only use it on the beach.

Possibly a better bet is a second hand Minelab Sovereign ... any of the Sovereign series (I use the Sovereign Elite). They are brilliant on the beach, completely stable on all sands and go deep - and brilliant on land too, so a perfect all round detector.
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Post by stephenbeetleman » Sat May 24, 2014 1:34 pm

Hello Murray,

Welcome to the forum. The CS4PI is a great detector i have had one in the past. I use a Minelab Sovereign GT now though as its easier for me as an all round machine. ::g

I don't think i appreciated quite how much iron there was on my local beaches til i got the 4PI. The Sovereign GT certainly isnt as deep as the PI was but i have saved alot of digging with my back by avoiding the iron the the 4pi would have picked up.

There are of course disadvantages of going for a VLF detector over a PI which are that targets can be missed as you don t get as much depth and the Sovereign as an example although great in the wet and dry sand you will also have slow recovery speeds in areas littered with iron which can cause good target audio to get masked out.

Its up to you which type of machine to go for but as the other guys have said, as its specialist detector maybe something as an all rounder would be better to start up with. :-/

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Post by Al(GA) » Sat May 24, 2014 2:38 pm

Hi Murray,

Regardless of which detector you get --- go with a stainless steel scoop for beach digging and "Most importantly" , get a rare earth magnet, sometimes called a super magnet and attach it to the inside of the scoop. It will be a lifesaver for attracting the pesky iron (nails, etc.). Your back will thank you. Best of luck!

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Post by Muzzaroo » Sat May 24, 2014 4:57 pm

Hello everyone,

First off many thanks for taking the time out of your day to reply to my post - It's very much appreciated!

It's a bit of a minefield all this is totally new to me but it looks like fun and having been down at one of the beaches today I was anxious to get going :)

£300 would be approaching my top end of the budget and naturally I need the accessories etc but looking to take my time and not buy what I don't need.

The other options look good but some are over my budget I know there is the second hand market.

I wonder of its best to get a PI - Accept that I will have to dig and dig and dig - Then dig some more. They seem like good detectors - Just hope that the beaches are not to full of waste.

There is lots of history and recreational sun bathing type spots round here so I'm hoping something turns up that ain't ring pulls and nails!

I am wondering if in the future the PI works out I could get a land based detector too - That way have the best of both worlds and just take land or beach machine as suits.

Fingers crossed it's funded by the first machines finds.

Will give it some thought :) Keep you posted!

Many thanks again,

Murray

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Re: CS4PI - First Detector - Wise?

Post by Dave8472 » Sat May 24, 2014 7:15 pm

Hi, I personally don't think this is an ideal starter machine, for the reasons stated by others, you will soon become demoralised digging rubbish. These are great as a companion to a motion detector.

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Re: CS4PI - First Detector - Wise?

Post by Koala » Sat May 24, 2014 7:43 pm

Each beach is different

I have no idea what your beach is like.

You really need some advise from someone who has detected your beach as some beaches have no junk at all on them others have loads. If your beach is a "clean beach" the CS4PI would be ideal. If it's full of junk you will get frustrated.

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Re: CS4PI - First Detector - Wise?

Post by Muzzaroo » Sat May 24, 2014 8:34 pm

Hi Folks,

Many thanks for all the replies it's most welcome - It's a bit confusing at times like most new hobbies!

My only "issue" is that if I go for say a Garrett Euroace I won't be able to do he wet sand. We have good tides here exposing alot of sand bank which tends to remain "moist" so would like to do that.

I could just get a non PI machine and use that ignoring the wet stuff but would always be wondering what lay beneath.

It's a confusing one - I can understand if I dig everything which appeared to be a rusty nut or bolt I would get fed up to some extent just have to hope it was something worthwhile occasionally.

Guess it's up to me to work out what's the main priority.

Just want to make the right decision and not have much regrets.

Things to think about! :)

Many thanks once again.

Best wishes,

Murray

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Post by cj1991 » Sun May 25, 2014 12:19 am

The 4pi is an awesome machine, crazy depth, and I mean crazy! ive dug mental depths for pound coins before, the hip mount option is good . the main reason I don't use it any more is that my beaches have gotten a bit trashy and the AT Pro is doing the job great and is waterproof. when I find another clean beaches ill pull the 4pi out again
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Re: CS4PI - First Detector - Wise?

Post by Koala » Sun May 25, 2014 9:56 pm

It's impossible to tell from a photo.

I use a single frequency machine on the beach all the time. Most beaches near me are fine however there is one part of a beach near me that is impossible to detect with it 200 yards either side and its fine. Damp even sand and it runs fine, dry sand and it runs fine but patchy bits are a pain. Gullies and rock pools can be very testing or impossible unless the threshold is turned right down so you are only detecting the top couple of inches . Shallow even water not normally a problem.

There is no right or wrong answer. The only way is to try it out.

Would be nice if someone had already detected nearby or could meet up with you to test VLF out for you. I am a long way a way or I would help you out. Some of the higher end multi frequency machines will work on every beach but are outside your price range by a lot.

The CS4PI will definitely work but has no way to discriminate the iron out. Without testing there is no way to know if there is tons of iron on there or not.

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Post by russ 1 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:27 pm

I use the 4pi for the beach, I only use knobs only detectors on land as well, no vdu so being used to listening to the sound and working out the shape and size of the target,
its surprising how little iron you dig after getting used to it also signal strength and clarity can be a factor....obviously, this only comes after many hours spent alone in the zone but the cs4pi need not be an iron finding pain in the a.s.s its a brill machine and you gotta be patient.....you only get out of life what you put in.......am still learning at 55... :D

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Post by pjc68 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:17 pm

You might find most of the crap is on the drysand, stuff like ring pulls, crushed cans, foil and the likes off people visiting the beach (you will find coins and jewelry as well)
If you buy a pulse induction detector like the cscope cs4pi you are better going on the wet sand up to the waterline (less crap) and using a normal detector with disc for the dry sand
Also with a pi you will get fit with all that digging ;))
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