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One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:33 am
by Oxgirl36
I tell you what sometimes you have fields that like to be a little shy. They just take ages to read and give up their secrets very reluctantly. I have one of those fields. It was one of my first permissions. It’s near a Roman road, on the edge of a village and I’d only had a bit of an iron age brooch, and a 17th century token in the first 3 visits. Then it started to tease me, giving me one of my favourite medieval buckles and a whole load of coins, including an Elizabeth I hammy last year. The stuff that comes off it are in great condition too, but there aren’t many.

To be fair though it’s been either stubble or a ploughed nightmare. You get little time on it because it’s usually turned round quite quickly. This year it’s been too wet to plant. Last time I went there it was hideous stubble and now it’s been disced and is flat and lovely. The pottery and stones are showing themselves too and I have spotted an area that must have been a house! It’s near the coin hot spot which makes sense.

Anyway went out yesterday and found a few bits and bobs. The best find is a lovely medieval button. It’s decorated to. Think buttons are boring? Not when you get a medieval decorated one. They are very tactile :))

I thought It was a mount as it was pretty caked in mud so it was a delight to see it appear when I cleaned it up. It’s 15th century (although it could be 1400-1600, depending on which PAS record you look at!)
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Other finds include a spindle whorl, a token with a very simple cross and a post medieval rivet (1500-1700) with a lovely patina. There’s also a little bronze item with a hole through it, for the bottom of the handle of a tool similar thing.
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Finally, keeping an eye on the pottery, I spotted a piece of a bowl for grinding herbs (can’t recall the name of them). It’s got a lovely gritty texture on the inside bit. The outside has no inclusions.


Need to get back there once the weather is a bit less fierce.

Deus using the HOT programme with the X35 11” coil.

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:17 pm
by kenleyboy
Fair play for going outside and braving the weather , I am made of less sturdier stuff so have chosen this afternoon to have a go on the green waste field again seeing as the weather is fairing a lot better by comparison .
Some neat finds and even better when the hunt is aided by a disced and rolled flat field , great items and I do like that button but the rivet comes a close second . Great write up ::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:25 pm
by meadowman
Like the button very much ::g
Is the bowl part of a mortar, as in mortar and pestle :-/

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:33 pm
by Dave The Slave
Ornate button you have there , Cath.
Rivet is also nice.
Hope you get to recover some other interesting everyday pieces from long ago.
Good Luck, ::g
Dave.

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:36 pm
by Bradrick
Yep, that's an excellent button... well done ::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:49 pm
by Ladybird66
No need to say, really, but the button is special, love it. ::g
Beaten to it with the mortar & pestle, though I never know which bit is which. Talking of which, aren’t those inclusions volcanic ? Just remembered they’re called spherules :D
Nice unusual find. I imagine they would have helped with the grinding as they are vey hard.

Well found Cath and top marks for effort (and durability) ::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:12 pm
by ratty
Nice finds, and the button is a beauty. Well recovered.. ::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:30 pm
by Easylife
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:33 am
I tell you what sometimes you have fields that like to be a little shy. They just take ages to read and give up their secrets very reluctantly.
Way to go girl - it really can be quite surprising how a bit of damp can reveal so many more targets from otherwise seemingly quiet ground. So I guess that the weather is a bit rough there? x;

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:10 pm
by sweepstick47
Well done OG, it seems whilst some are currently bemoaning the conditions, you're bugging the trend to very good effect and locating some interesting finds. The button definitely stands out as the star of the show ! ;) I reckon there's more to follow from your 'needy' field ::g Regards ss47

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:19 pm
by PinkFloyd
Aye , buttons arnt my thing but that one is quite nice ::g
A better programme will pull out many more nice things I reckon ;)

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:42 pm
by Oxgirl36
PinkFloyd wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:19 pm
Aye , buttons arnt my thing but that one is quite nice ::g
A better programme will pull out many more nice things I reckon ;)
Go on then please give me another programme. I’m happy to gave a play :D

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:49 pm
by PinkFloyd
::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:12 pm
by alloverover
Ive had many a shy field like you speak of Cath, am exploring one at the moment that hasn't given up any Saxon in years of looking, now all of a sudden its sharing its secrets with me :) :) ::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:15 pm
by Oxgirl36
alloverover wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:12 pm
Ive had many a shy field like you speak of Cath, am exploring one at the moment that hasn't given up any Saxon in years of looking, now all of a sudden its sharing its secrets with me :) :) ::g
If mine gave me Saxon I’d be grinning all day, lucky you :D

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:19 pm
by alloverover
Oxgirl36 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:15 pm
alloverover wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:12 pm
Ive had many a shy field like you speak of Cath, am exploring one at the moment that hasn't given up any Saxon in years of looking, now all of a sudden its sharing its secrets with me :) :) ::g
If mine gave me Saxon I’d be grinning all day, lucky you :D
Its the hf coil helping things along nicely :D ::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:56 am
by geoff
Great finds, and that button is delightful.

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:25 am
by Wuntbedruv
Yes indeed, a piece of Mortarium!

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:30 am
by Oxgirl36
Wuntbedruv wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:25 am
Yes indeed, a piece of Mortarium!
That’s what it’s called - it has been sending me mad trying to remember, thank you ::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:34 am
by Oxgirl36
Ladybird66 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:49 pm
No need to say, really, but the button is special, love it. ::g
Beaten to it with the mortar & pestle, though I never know which bit is which. Talking of which, aren’t those inclusions volcanic ? Just remembered they’re called spherules :D
Nice unusual find. I imagine they would have helped with the grinding as they are vey hard.

Well found Cath and top marks for effort (and durability) ::g
Thanks LB ::g The gritty little stone bits are called spherules? Never knew that - thank you :D

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:45 pm
by stanslad
Well done Cath, nice finds,
Lovely different button there, good luck next time out.
Clint ::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:47 pm
by principia
That are the nice fields, can surprise you every time and also keep you thinking, which coil and frquency will I use this time ? :)

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:08 pm
by geoman
The "gritty bits" are usually broken up iron smelting tap slag.

This material is mainly an iron silicate mineral called Fayalite which has a hardness of about 7 on the Mohs scale of hardness used by geologists. To give that perspective diamond is the hardest mineral known and is given number 10 on this scale so fayalite is well up there as a hard substance.

The smelting process produces this mineral during the various chemical reactions to liberate iron metal from the ore. Fayalite is also found in nature.

As a waste product the Romans would have tried to find a use for it and it turns up on some sites as hardcore. Using it as part of the grinding surface of mortaria bowls would have provided the required purchase when dealing with hard seeds and grains or anything else for that matter.

Common finds amongst the domestic waste on RB sites.

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:34 pm
by Oxgirl36
geoman wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:08 pm

Common finds amongst the domestic waste on RB sites.
That’s interesting cause there’s definitely Roman and Iron Age activity on this field but the metallic finds around this house have been medieval. I love pottery and the pottery on this field range from the coarse 16th century local wares to a range of grey ware that is hard to date (for me anyway). Whatever the date I love this type of item. Thanks for the extra info ::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:40 pm
by alloverover
Those buttons are great Cath, those and the chunky Tudor ones are great to find ::g

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:02 pm
by geoman
Having taken a closer look at the photo some of the inclusions used in the surface treatment of the piece are small pieces of quartz. This is of similar hardness to the Faylaite and would do just as good a job except that quartz tends to shatter if too much pressure is applied.

That in mind could this pot fragment come from some other utensil and be perhaps more datable to the house site you speak of. Hard to tell without actually handling the piece.

Good luck with your searches Oxgirl.

Re: One of those fields that just needed better conditions to find stuff

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:28 pm
by Oxgirl36
geoman wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:02 pm
Having taken a closer look at the photo some of the inclusions used in the surface treatment of the piece are small pieces of quartz. This is of similar hardness to the Faylaite and would do just as good a job except that quartz tends to shatter if too much pressure is applied.

That in mind could this pot fragment come from some other utensil and be perhaps more datable to the house site you speak of. Hard to tell without actually handling the piece.

Good luck with your searches Oxgirl.
It’s right near the house debris and other medieval to post medieval pottery - every metal find in this bit seems to be 1300 to 1600 so far. No sign of it being Roman but I’ll get it chdcked out by the FLO anyway. It’s always difficult to date pottery without handling it ::g Thank you for the extra info - I’ve something to go on.