Perhaps For this coin?4.3grams-Now Weighed in!-Cleaned up-Coin weight with thistle

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Perhaps For this coin?4.3grams-Now Weighed in!-Cleaned up-Coin weight with thistle

Post by Lowland » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:55 pm

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Coin weight with thistle I presume .
Just out of the ground ::g
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by littleboot » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:36 pm

Not really well up on Scottish coinage...but would that be for a James thistle crown? It would be interesting to see what it weighs when you get it home.
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by Phil2401 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:10 pm

Nice find! Since the number 4 can be written in Roman numerals either IV or IIII, could it be groat related?

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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by fred » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:14 pm

I believe that one of these Scottish gold half crowns turned up yesterday on a dig that I was on. Look forward to knowing the weight. ::g
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by Easylife » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:17 pm

It also sounds good to me. ::g
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by fred » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:17 pm

Not unless it was for weighing a silver coin. Bullion weights were usually used for quantities of silver, not individual coins. ::g
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by Lowland » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:14 pm

Absolutely banging hour and a big that was!
Coin weight
A 925 silver DAD ring
Next to
A 925 silver SISTER ring
And a deliberately folded in half henryIII long cross.
Dammit time to pick up two of the nippers :D

I’m stoked with the coin weight,I have no scales :( but have a pal who does ;)
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by watermouse » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:50 am

IIII is the value 4 pence.i would think its james the first.the Scottish groat was originally worth four pence, but was revalued at six pence.http://www.kenelks.co.uk/coins/scottish/scottish.htm

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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by fred » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:52 am

watermouse wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:50 am
IIII is the value 4 pence.i would think its james the first.the Scottish groat was originally worth four pence, but was revalued at six pence.http://www.kenelks.co.uk/coins/scottish/scottish.htm

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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:31 am

watermouse wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:50 am
IIII is the value 4 pence.i would think its james the first.the Scottish groat was originally worth four pence, but was revalued at six pence.http://www.kenelks.co.uk/coins/scottish/scottish.htm
Great link watermouse,thank you ::g
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:33 am

fred wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:52 am
watermouse wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:50 am
IIII is the value 4 pence.i would think its james the first.the Scottish groat was originally worth four pence, but was revalued at six pence.http://www.kenelks.co.uk/coins/scottish/scottish.htm

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Not half,problem is I’ve no money to be tight :D
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by dig-dog » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:14 am

fred wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:14 pm
I believe that one of these Scottish gold half crowns turned up yesterday on a dig that I was on. Look forward to knowing the weight. ::g
If you were on Sheppey, I can confirm It was a thistle crown in banging nick.
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:42 am

There’s a couple quite similar-bearing the four IIIIs and crowned thistle on here
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co ... eights.htm
Both in the james I/vI section.
Both have crowns but also the monarchs IR initials though?
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by watermouse » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:53 am

Lowland wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:42 am
There’s a couple quite similar-bearing the four IIIIs and crowned thistle on here
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co ... eights.htm
Both in the james I/vI section.
Both have crowns but also the monarchs IR initials though?
Absolutely Loving this find too ::g
yes I saw their good collection last night but couldnt see a match

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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:08 pm

watermouse wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:53 am
Lowland wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:42 am
There’s a couple quite similar-bearing the four IIIIs and crowned thistle on here
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co ... eights.htm
Both in the james I/vI section.
Both have crowns but also the monarchs IR initials though?
Absolutely Loving this find too ::g
yes I saw their good collection last night but couldnt see a match
There doesn’t seem to be many about watermouse,
No exact matches yet-I wonder what the small impressed dot is to the top of the last numeral ? Treasure trove have the photographs so I hope it’s of interest to them.
Twas Quite a good day to get the folded Henry and this coin weight.
It was the music I was listening to on the way there that put me in the right frame of mind-
Slamming vinyl -rat pack old skool mix up ;)
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by watermouse » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:32 pm

Lowland wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:08 pm
watermouse wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:53 am
Lowland wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:42 am
There’s a couple quite similar-bearing the four IIIIs and crowned thistle on here
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co ... eights.htm
Both in the james I/vI section.
Both have crowns but also the monarchs IR initials though?
Absolutely Loving this find too ::g
yes I saw their good collection last night but couldnt see a match
There doesn’t seem to be many about watermouse,
No exact matches yet-I wonder what the small impressed dot is to the top of the last numeral ? Treasure trove have the photographs so I hope it’s of interest to them.
Twas Quite a good day to get the folded Henry and this coin weight.
It was the music I was listening to on the way there that put me in the right frame of mind-
Slamming vinyl -rat pack old skool mix up ;)
Ratpack oh god no lol..not my thing but saw them in 92 at fantasia...im more into old school techno...and early trance before it went lame.in the late 90s...I went to all the UNIVERSE raves..and used to dj at various clubs and a local free party system lol im well into my music .this is type of stuff i like at the moment and mix
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:44 pm

watermouse wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:32 pm
Lowland wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:08 pm
watermouse wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:53 am


yes I saw their good collection last night but couldnt see a match
There doesn’t seem to be many about watermouse,
No exact matches yet-I wonder what the small impressed dot is to the top of the last numeral ? Treasure trove have the photographs so I hope it’s of interest to them.
Twas Quite a good day to get the folded Henry and this coin weight.
It was the music I was listening to on the way there that put me in the right frame of mind-
Slamming vinyl -rat pack old skool mix up ;)
Ratpack oh god no lol..not my thing but saw them in 92 at fantasia...im more into old school techno...and early trance before it went lame.in the late 90s...I went to all the UNIVERSE raves..and used to dj at various clubs and a local free party system lol im well into my music .here the WEIRDO mixed by thecaptain
Magic that ::g
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Post by watermouse » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:48 pm

i saw FRONT 242 when they played in London..at the Astoria in 89..i like new beat and early german techno also

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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by fred » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:20 pm

dig-dog wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:14 am
fred wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:14 pm
I believe that one of these Scottish gold half crowns turned up yesterday on a dig that I was on. Look forward to knowing the weight. ::g
If you were on Sheppey, I can confirm It was a thistle crown in banging nick.
DD ::g
I was indeed there, in the very same field. I didn't get one of the sovereigns either! :D
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by littleboot » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:28 pm

Good gracious....I haven't heard of ANY of those bands. (I presume they ARE bands ?) When you mentioned Rat Pack I assumed you had a nice mellow mix of Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. And I thought...yeah. Cool. ;))
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Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:02 pm

littleboot wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:28 pm
Good gracious....I haven't heard of ANY of those bands. (I presume they ARE bands ?) When you mentioned Rat Pack I assumed you had a nice mellow mix of Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. And I thought...yeah. Cool. ;))
That would do also littleboot ::g
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Post by Lowland » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:37 pm

A friend has just pointed out the striking similarity of the couterstamped thistle
On this coin and the thistle on the weight.
https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=1243&lot=3447
Still not got any scales so don’t have a true clue about what coin it’s for.
But could it have been counter stamped ?
The little hole above the last Numeral is bothering me too ::g
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Post by Oxgirl36 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:54 pm

Any chance of more photos? You’d promised us some photos of it cleaned up :-*
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Re: Coin weight with thistle

Post by fred » Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:45 am

If the hole goes all the way through then the chances are that it's just a tag of some sort. :D
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Post by Lowland » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:33 am

Oxgirl36 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:54 pm
Any chance of more photos? You’d promised us some photos of it cleaned up :-*
Will do miss og ::g
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Post by Lowland » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:34 am

fred wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:45 am
If the hole goes all the way through then the chances are that it's just a tag of some sort. :D
Hi Fred -nope it’s just a wee hollow,
I’m not having my first coin weight downgraded to a tag :))
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Post by Phil2401 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:57 am

Could the hollow have been made to slightly reduce the weight because the original cast was too heavy?

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Post by Lowland » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:13 am

Phil2401 wrote:
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Could the hollow have been made to slightly reduce the weight because the original cast was too heavy?

Phil
I was half way to thinking something like that too Phil,
Got a trade weight like that somewhere ::g
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Post by Lowland » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:20 am

Here it it cleaned up very carefully-it’s pretty biscuity
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Re: Cleaned up-Coin weight with thistle

Post by Allectus » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:31 am

Possibly IIII s = Four Shillings = Thistle Crown.

What's the weight?


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