My favourite find for a while. Help needed. THIS THREAD IS WELL WORTH A READ

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Re: My favourite find for a while. Help needed. THIS THREAD IS WELL WORTH A READ

Post by Easylife » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:21 am

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But above all a massive thanks to Easylife for his post about the Dishonourable Discharge as that is the one that really got this thread going!.
FYI: The more I think about it the more inclined I am to agree with him that the dog tag might have been bent double on purpose.
Thanks Evan, it certainly had a different twist to the usual detector finds. ::g


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Post by Bors » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:02 pm

Quote Evan,..." but I do have a certain sympathy for Clarence Williams. I wonder what happened to him eventually.".
I`m sure I saw him on the "Green mile" . ;)

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Re: My favourite find for a while. Help needed. THIS THREAD IS WELL WORTH A READ

Post by Phil2401 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:07 pm

Bors wrote:
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Quote Evan,..." but I do have a certain sympathy for Clarence Williams. I wonder what happened to him eventually.".
I`m sure I saw him on the "Green mile" . ;)
Good analogy Bors and I bet you're not far off....

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Post by Saffron » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:30 am

Anybody that has followed this thread might like to read this thread viewtopic.php?f=50&t=112302

Please do not confuse this excellent thread by posting anything relating to that thread on here.

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Post by GeorgeMK » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:45 pm

Enlistment date and location from the court records, enlistment record from Ancestry. Note he was from Georgia, and was single with dependents at time of enlistment.
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Post by Me and my boy » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:16 pm

So being 5 ft 9” and 56 1/4 kgs he was quite a slight chap.

Good research GeorgeMK
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Post by Ray » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:34 pm

Wow! What a find. Fascinating.
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Post by GeorgeMK » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:55 pm

Further research on Ancestry reveals that this was not a racially motivated incident.

Jasper Little was the man who was killed, he is buried in Camp Butler National Cemetery, Illinois.

Raymond W Craft Sr was the man who was shot in the back.


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Post by Phil2401 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:40 pm

Fascinating stuff... the plot thickens....are there any public records of the court martial / court hearing at which he was convicted? What was his defence / motivation?

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Post by Me and my boy » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:22 pm

Phil2401 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:40 pm
Fascinating stuff... the plot thickens....are there any public records of the court martial / court hearing at which he was convicted? What was his defence / motivation?

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Hi yes it’s all shown on page one of this topic. It is page 91 on the attachment. I’m not computer literate enough to link it, sorry.
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Post by Me and my boy » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:24 pm

GeorgeMK wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:55 pm
Further research on Ancestry reveals that this was not a racially motivated incident.

Jasper Little was the man who was killed, he is buried in Camp Butler National Cemetery, Illinois.

Raymond W Craft Sr was the man who was shot in the back.



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Great research thanks. I had thought it probably was racially motived before i read this.
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Post by GeorgeMK » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:57 pm

Me and my boy wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Phil2401 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:40 pm
Fascinating stuff... the plot thickens....are there any public records of the court martial / court hearing at which he was convicted? What was his defence / motivation?

Phil
Hi yes it’s all shown on page one of this topic. It is page 91 on the attachment. I’m not computer literate enough to link it, sorry.
Here is the pdf file link. It is on page 91 which is actually page 96 of the pdf.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/ ... Vol-18.pdf

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Re: My favourite find for a while. Help needed. THIS THREAD IS WELL WORTH A READ

Post by littleboot » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:50 pm

Very interesting and well-researched and clearly developing all the time. I did a bit of digging myself and it threw out a few names for family members, but with Saffron's words of warning in mind I'll not post them as they may be wrong.

There is something else this thread highlights....the way we can't help looking at the past through the prism of modern sensibilities, fashions, social mores.
Much is written and talked about these days regarding racial tensions and there are very strong lobbying groups on social media and in mainstream media that keep these issues in the collective mind. One hesitates to say 'group-think' but there is no doubt that the internet tends to establish a consensus ....and not one that is necessarily accurate, but instead Politically Correct.
I think the temptation is to think that the balance of probabilities, in this case, a black person was disadvantaged by the system or victim of a racially motivated slur (which doesn't excuse murder anyway....I could have gone around murdering lots of people on the basis they called me names or were sexist/racist/ageist or any number of the modern fixation with Ists and Isms. and it would still be murder and no excuse whatsoever). When actually the reality is while some things can be put down to that issue, just because we are hyper-aware of that being possible it doesn't make it any more probable. He was always much more likely to be a murderer and a danger to society.
In response to some of the more draconian aspects of early to mid 20th century attitudes there has been a lurch to the other extreme. (Which explains why a bloke who stole from us was found to have an earlier criminal record and had explained his theft of £20k of electrical goods from his employers as being on account of him having 'a spending problem'. Bless)
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Post by ajb6864 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:21 pm

I think Littleboot has summed up the dilemma better than I would.

We appear to be entered into a new era of apologising for for past events that at the time seemed the norm and an almost puritanical view of media and advertising that does not seem to offer leeway for healthy debate.

We should always move forward with an eye on the past and I think the recent heart-wrenching coverage of WW2 events should more than vindicate that, but at what point in time is the cut-off point for debate?

Should reparations be negotiated for The Holy Crusades? It sounds ridiculous, but it is merely context.

Some of the the worst historical atrocitities were committed against the Cathar community, but long since forgotten. Maybe they need a lobbyist group to fight their compensation case or 'Claims Direct'?

Conserve the history and the artefact, but there is probably no need to kick the 'hornet's nest' when it comes to judging historical actions.

I hope that comes across as I intended, which is to 'let sleeping dogs lie'?

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