Silver thimble makers mark ID help

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Silver thimble makers mark ID help

Post by venator » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:19 am

Hi. Found this crushed thimble 5" deep in pasture using my Teknetics T2 classic . I run it in all metal mode, 99 sensitivity with just audible hum, which works well in low mineralised soil I find. I'm hoping someone can help with identifying the maker of this as I can't find anything like this mark, and also curious what the number refers to - would that be a date possibly? Although badly flattened I love the fact it has what I take to be the owners initials engraved on it. This was obviously an item that was cherished. Many thanks to all on this great forum.
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Re: Silver thimble makers mark ID help

Post by Euro Detector » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:35 pm

I think the B.G. stands for Bert Gordon (most likely Birmingham):
http://www.silvercollection.it/englishs ... XBGGG.html
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Re: Silver thimble makers mark ID help

Post by fred » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:35 pm

I think that the style of the engraved initials is similar to that found on late 18th and early 19thC silverware. If so I suspect that this thimble will be about this date and we will need a rethink about possible makers. The 04 confuses me a little and it may not even be British. ::g

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Re: Silver thimble makers mark ID help

Post by Koala » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:46 pm

fred wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:35 pm
I think that the style of the engraved initials is similar to that found on late 18th and early 19thC silverware. If so I suspect that this thimble will be about this date and we will need a rethink about possible makers. The 04 confuses me a little and it may not even be British. ::g
o4 could be Swidish date code. Something like o decade and 4 year 1964 ?


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Re: Silver thimble makers mark ID help

Post by Euro Detector » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:13 pm

I think the 04 stands for a size number in this case.
This is a thimble from Norway, indicating 4 as the size.
Top mark with Sterling, Norway, fineness 925s, maker's mark D-A,David Anderson, Oslo, and a size number, 4.
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Here is a thimble gauge, the 4 is on there as well:
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Re: Silver thimble makers mark ID help

Post by Euro Detector » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:23 pm

I can also see the initials C.H. on the right hand side of the maker's mark, probably the initials of the owner.

Here is another thimble made by 'B.G' between 1680-1720.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showre ... le&cat=103
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Re: Silver thimble makers mark ID help

Post by Koala » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:25 pm

I could be reading it wrong. If 04 would the 0 and 4 be the same size. I read it as o4 as little o the letter.

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Re: Silver thimble makers mark ID help

Post by fred » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:23 pm

Euro Detector wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:23 pm
I can also see the initials C.H. on the right hand side of the maker's mark, probably the initials of the owner.

Here is another thimble made by 'B.G' between 1680-1720.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showre ... le&cat=103
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Even earlier, even better but the lack of the O4 is a concern. It would be unusual to have a ring size on a thimble as early as 1720 as the standard sizing system only started in the mid 19thC and even more unusual to incorporate it in the makers mark at all. There are no shortage of British makers with just the initial RG (which is what I read it as) or BG in a similar script but no record of a number being used in the makers mark! I've seen this before somewhere and I'll keep on plugging away. ::g

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Re: Silver thimble makers mark ID help

Post by Koala » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:45 pm

Euro Detector wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:23 pm
I can also see the initials C.H. on the right hand side of the maker's mark, probably the initials of the owner.

Here is another thimble made by 'B.G' between 1680-1720.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showre ... le&cat=103
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Looks fairly modern just badly bashed

Marks look like

Robert Bragge trading as the English Watch Co, Villa Street, Hockley, Birmingham & Heathfield Road, Birmingham

Even down to the straight on one side and chamfered at the R end

First seen 1878 dot added between the R and G in 1879
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