Roman silver. Carausius AR denarius, London

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Roman silver. Carausius AR denarius, London

Post by Jungle » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:09 pm

Pretty sure it's silver but it's not in my common finds book. Thanks.
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Re: Roman silver.

Post by Allectus » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:12 pm

Carausius. Nice find! ::g

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Re: Roman silver.

Post by coal digger » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:12 pm

Carausius Antoninianus,nice piercing also,cd ::g
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Re: Roman silver.

Post by lord lovell » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:13 pm

very nice ::g

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Re: Roman silver.

Post by Allectus » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:20 pm

Carausius, AR denarius, London. AD 286-293. IMP CARAVSIVS PI AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right / VIRT CARAVSI AVG, Lion walking left, holding thunderbolt in mouth (double-struck). Mintmark RSR. RIC V-2, London 591 var (legends); Dix Noonan Webb 122, lot 36. Unpublished.

http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/carausiu ... 1_var4.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ::g

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Re: Roman silver.

Post by Allectus » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:24 pm

RIC V-2, London 591 var (legends); Dix Noonan Webb 122, lot 36, Apr. 2014.
Unpublished. Extremely rare

Note the above Jungle ::g


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Re: Roman silver.

Post by Allectus » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:28 pm

That double-struck example fetched £2,600 ::g

Lot 36...http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/pr ... ion_id=306" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Roman silver.

Post by coal digger » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:29 pm

Allectus wrote:Carausius, AR denarius, London. AD 286-293. IMP CARAVSIVS PI AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right / VIRT CARAVSI AVG, Lion walking left, holding thunderbolt in mouth (double-struck). Mintmark RSR. RIC V-2, London 591 var (legends); Dix Noonan Webb 122, lot 36. Unpublished.

http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/carausiu ... 1_var4.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ::g

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Re: Roman silver.

Post by Allectus » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:49 pm

Clock this Jungle, it gets better mate..."the reverse legend believed previously unpublished for the type, of the highest rarity" ::g
http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/ca ... _id=158384" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope I've got the right one! :))

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Re: Roman silver.

Post by Goldyballs » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:21 am

Superb find and a nice value as well :D

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Re: Roman silver.

Post by Jungle » Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:34 am

Allectus wrote:Clock this Jungle, it gets better mate..."the reverse legend believed previously unpublished for the type, of the highest rarity" ::g
http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/ca ... _id=158384" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope I've got the right one! :))

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Gulp! Will the piercing devalue (need to square away the farmer), it was a one time dig while on my week long detecting holiday 200 miles from home (thank you wife). I must have stepped in something as I found a Saxon silver pin the day before.
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Re: Roman silver. Carausius AR denarius, London

Post by alloverover » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:57 am

Stunning find Jungle \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ a Carausius denarius is on my most wanted before I die list, wonderful find mate. they are a strange denomination, referred to as denarii but bigger and flatter than a normal denarius indeed they are from the age of antoninianii and are usually the same size as them but out of silver.

As for the piercing, it makes it a lot more interesting mate but think it now becomes a reportable item under the treasure act as its use maybe changed from a coin to an item of jewelry ( proberbly in Saxon times but who knows ), as for its worth.............I fear that will be decided by the TVC as I am sure that coin will be most sought after by the BM itself ;) ::g ::g ::g

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Re: Roman silver. Carausius AR denarius, London

Post by Jungle » Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:39 am

alloverover wrote:Stunning find Jungle \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ a Carausius denarius is on my most wanted before I die list, wonderful find mate. they are a strange denomination, referred to as denarii but bigger and flatter than a normal denarius indeed they are from the age of antoninianii and are usually the same size as them but out of silver.

As for the piercing, it makes it a lot more interesting mate but think it now becomes a reportable item under the treasure act as its use maybe changed from a coin to an item of jewelry ( proberbly in Saxon times but who knows ), as for its worth.............I fear that will be decided by the TVC as I am sure that coin will be most sought after by the BM itself ;) ::g ::g ::g
Thanks for your comments, its yet to sink in.
I've taken coins with piercings in before to FLO but they've not been classed as Treasure. I wonder what criteria they work to? As you say, TVC may not take recent coin auction prices in to consideration and valuation may suffer.
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Re: Roman silver. Carausius AR denarius, London

Post by Jungle » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:53 pm

https://finds.org.uk/treasure/advice/piercedcoins" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Roman silver. Carausius AR denarius, London

Post by Jungle » Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:19 pm

BM does not appear to have an example. Now with FLO.
How do they know when a coin was taken out of circulation? If hole was made after coin was legal tender, it was not taken out of circulation, in my view. FLO agreed guidance on Pas was woolly.
Has anyone attended a coroners hearing and challenged something being declared?
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Re: Roman silver. Carausius AR denarius, London

Post by GeoffBristol » Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:37 pm

Earlier this year I took a gilded silver Elizabeth 1st hammered to my local FLO, to me it seems someone was trying to pass it off as gold coin, but this was the reply.
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Hi, Just heard back from the treasure elves in London, they have decided that a gilded silver would be treasure as it had been taken out of circulation as a form of money and would be used as an artefact (perhaps a pendant or charm).

This seems rather strange to me, I think from now on I will keep my finds to myself.
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Re: Roman silver.

Post by Jungle » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:08 pm

Allectus wrote:Clock this Jungle, it gets better mate..."the reverse legend believed previously unpublished for the type, of the highest rarity" ::g
http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/ca ... _id=158384" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope I've got the right one! :))

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BM have confirmed new type, unrecorded so spot on again Allectus.
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Re: Roman silver. Carausius AR denarius, London

Post by Jungle » Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:37 pm

Update. After 10 months, now awaiting inquest as BM want it.
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Re: Roman silver. Carausius AR denarius, London

Post by fred » Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:25 pm

Jungle wrote:Update. After 10 months, now awaiting inquest as BM want it.
You have still done the right thing and you will find out soon enough (well eventually anyway :D ) what they think that it's worth. ::g

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Re: Roman silver. Carausius AR denarius, London

Post by f8met » Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:59 pm

The inquest is the slow bit and can take ages. I attended an inquest last month for my Gratian pierced silver. The coroner had 7 inquests which stretched back over 18 months, mine was from October so I was lucky. They are not prioritised so they tend to batch them. The TVC can do the same so it may take a while yet.
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