"Gold" Seal Matrix...

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"Gold" Seal Matrix...

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Afternoon All,
Havent been out much lately and not found anything interesting when I have (rats!) until today when I had a really nice couple of hours on a new bit of parkland in front of a big 'ouse...finds include a brace of cartwheel pennies, a french silver ecu( I think) a pretty bashed up hammy and this.... a "gold" seal matrix with initials B.E.D. (??)
It doesn't feel particularly heavy but certainly some weight and the colour is as out off the ground.
Hope it is gold; I haven't found any in aeons... it is18mm wide at the base. Any knowledge as to age etc. much appreciated and gratefully accepted!
All the B
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Georgian/Victorian. Certainly looks gold or silver gilt.

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Allectus wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:37 pm
Georgian/Victorian. Certainly looks gold or silver gilt.

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Very nice find indeed ::g
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A nice little collection there Alexander. Love the cartwheels! Yes, the fob is probably gilt (or pinchbeck if it is soft). ::g
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Very nice group if finds for a single session ::g Love the Georgian Fob seal which, even if plated is most welcome find ::g Regards ss47
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That’s a cracker HH
Well done-I bet there’s a sovereign or two lurking there ::g
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Very nice finds there, fob looks a likely contender for gold.
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Just reading the title I said out loud "WHAT?"
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If it came out like that it is either a thick layer of gold sheet on something else or it could also be solid gold, but hollow. :D
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Too clean not to be gold.. as above.. u;@ ..great finds.

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Lovely find ::g

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The letters are EDH...and not reversed?
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Looks like gold to me .. totally no patina ... so it has to be gold in my book?? and its also lovely!!! Really really nice.. a corker by any standards.
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DiOz wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:15 pm
The letters are EDH...and not reversed?
The photo is as is - i havent "flipped it" - I am not sure what it reads exactly....

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Great find. Looks gold from here too, could be sheet gold over something,looks like a seam on there.
Very nice.

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Comparing the initials with the Gothic letters EDH...
Gothic EDH comparison.JPG
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Lovely find, definately one on my bucket list ::g
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top of my bucket list ,id taken an iron one very very nice grzz

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That's an unusual seal, and it's survived burial exceptionally well. The French silver is nice, too.
But doesn't it read R J P ( or maybe R I P ) ?
A density test would be worth carrying out, even though the intaglio is going to mess up the results. ( plus it's probably hollow ... )
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Looks Victorian. I know it's difficult to tell from images but it looks a very pale yellow which could be the lighting, but is there a case for electrum?
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HolzHammer wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:34 pm
Afternoon All,
Havent been out much lately and not found anything interesting when I have (rats!) until today when I had a really nice couple of hours on a new bit of parkland in front of a big 'ouse...finds include a brace of cartwheel pennies, a french silver ecu( I think) a pretty bashed up hammy and this.... a "gold" seal matrix with initials B.E.D. (??)
It doesn't feel particularly heavy but certainly some weight and the colour is as out off the ground.
Hope it is gold; I haven't found any in aeons... it is18mm wide at the base. Any knowledge as to age etc. much appreciated and gratefully accepted!
All the B
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Wardie94 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:30 pm
HolzHammer wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:34 pm
Afternoon All,
Havent been out much lately and not found anything interesting when I have (rats!) until today when I had a really nice couple of hours on a new bit of parkland in front of a big 'ouse...finds include a brace of cartwheel pennies, a french silver ecu( I think) a pretty bashed up hammy and this.... a "gold" seal matrix with initials B.E.D. (??)
It doesn't feel particularly heavy but certainly some weight and the colour is as out off the ground.
Hope it is gold; I haven't found any in aeons... it is18mm wide at the base. Any knowledge as to age etc. much appreciated and gratefully accepted!
All the B
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Fusion wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:06 pm
That's an unusual seal, and it's survived burial exceptionally well. The French silver is nice, too.
But doesn't it read R J P ( or maybe R I P ) ?
A density test would be worth carrying out, even though the intaglio is going to mess up the results.
Thanks Fusion,
It makes more sense that way up and the graphic work much appreciated.
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After further pondering, I'm wrong about that first letter, it's actually a G.
These two pages of Black Letter/Gothic fonts contain closely matching examples:
https://lettergenerator.net/gothic-letters.html

https://lettergenerator.net/oldenglish-letters.html

And the middle letter is most likely a J. The Gothic J often has a 'double strike' on the left side of the upright stroke, whereas an I normally has only one.

So .. G J P is my interpretation.

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Fusion wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:30 pm
After further pondering, I'm wrong about that first letter, it's actually a G.
These two pages of Black Letter/Gothic fonts contain closely matching examples:
https://lettergenerator.net/gothic-letters.html

https://lettergenerator.net/oldenglish-letters.html

And the middle letter is most likely a J. The Gothic J often has a 'double strike' on the left side of the upright stroke, whereas an I normally has only one.

So .. G J P is my interpretation.
Thanks Fusion much appreciated!

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That seal is lovely. Make a tiny scratch on it and add a drop of nitric acid to confirm gold. If it doesn't react you have confirmed gold. Ebay sell gold testing kits with various strength nitric acids which will tell you the purity.

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Fusion wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:30 pm
After further pondering, I'm wrong about that first letter, it's actually a G.
These two pages of Black Letter/Gothic fonts contain closely matching examples:
https://lettergenerator.net/gothic-letters.html

https://lettergenerator.net/oldenglish-letters.html

And the middle letter is most likely a J. The Gothic J often has a 'double strike' on the left side of the upright stroke, whereas an I normally has only one.

So .. G J P is my interpretation.
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I would be willing to bet it is gold.

Its likely to be have been pressed from thin gold sheet, its a common manufacturing method. Especially circa 1900's. It would also explain why it isnt very heavy.
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Put it back under the Deus coil about 6" away and see what the read out gives you .
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