ID Challenge no.19

Please post any finds here that you wish help with identification.
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ID Challenge no.19

Post by thefiggis » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:13 pm

What ho,

The following find has been kindly lobbed in this direction as an ID challenge by a forum member ::g The fact it was found by someone else while I was mere feet away has been no cause whatsoever of jealousy/resentment/loud cusswords ever since. Nope, not at all =)) Well done, L ::g

Any road up, needless to say, this find knocked my meagre offerings into a cocked hat. It's solid bronze (copper alloy), weighs a hefty 35g, and was found on a site with history all the way back to Bronze age, though predominately Roman.

Notes: The top shot shows concentric rings which are somewhat obscured by non-related iron contamination. The shot of the underside shows similar contamination but this is integral.

Entry form can be found HERE and remember, multiple entries are welcome should you change your mind.

Closes for entry around gin o'clock on Fri 15th November. (Ok, gin o'clock runs from 00.00 to 23.59, so let's say 17.00-ish)

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Some sort of electrical gubbins(I'm told it's a Deus). In various colours
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Post by Allectus » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:19 pm

Roman lock-plate fastener minus the iron shank.

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Post by Oxgirl36 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:26 pm

Roman lock thingy
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Post by jones123 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:08 pm

Roman lock plate

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Post by sweepstick47 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:09 pm

Decoration a bit obscured by age but it has the look of a Roman Gladius pommel. (possibly Mainz pattern). If correct it's a nice uncommon find .
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Post by sweepstick47 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:23 am

A Romano British bronze Dagger Pommel of 2nd C AD.............possibly?
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Re: ID Challenge no.19

Post by thefiggis » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:36 am

By way of bumpage, for every five answers received I will release some info on one of the mods. ::g
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Post by alloverover » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:07 am

Roman lock pin end

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Post by Spearhead » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:04 am

Looks like a corroded Roman lock pin.

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Post by redwulf500 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:57 am

roman lockplate pin head

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Re: ID Challenge no.19

Post by thefiggis » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:04 pm

Sweepstick's christian name is Erica! Seems his parents wanted a girl.

His middle name's Fido. They wanted a dog as well

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Post by shaggybfc » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:13 pm

Looking at the first photo, I thought "Easy, it's a rotten shottie, I've had a few of those"...... but then,,, no, I have no idea. I'll come back with a further guess later...
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Post by blackdog » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:14 pm

No idea really but I'll say a pommel just to get you to reveal more secrets!
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Post by lordofthecoils » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:08 pm

Roman lock pin

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Re: ID Challenge no.19

Post by thefiggis » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:08 pm

Blackadder snores something rotten.

Don't ask how me either I or Oxgirl know this.

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Post by Tizabi » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:42 pm

INUIT ESKIMO ARTIFACT

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Post by andiron » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:13 pm

sword handle :)

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Post by Bradrick » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:01 pm

Very well described by the way Fig.

Falls into the 'I'm sure I've seen one before' category, but I'll have a punt at a pommel/knop from a weapon?

Had to post anyway, as I want a bit more goss on the Mods.
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Re: ID Challenge no.19

Post by thefiggis » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:03 pm

Liam owns the largest collection of high-heeled shoes in western Europe ::g
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Post by fred » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:07 am

Roman mount of some sort (according to Colchester Treasure Hunting). It may not be coincidence that some of theirs have the same iron staining or an iron projection.
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Re: ID Challenge no.19

Post by thefiggis » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:26 pm

Many thanks to all who took part, and the answer is...it's an interesting one :)

When first found I believed it to be a Roman furniture fitting. Then the weight of opinion in here was for Roman lock pin/plate fastener and that gave pause for thought so I looked into it deeper, and it seems the use of these things is up for debate, according to their composition.

There are many of these, of various sizes and weights, recorded under both "lock pin" and "furniture fitting". So which is it? The image below shows a lock plate with pins in situ and they certainly match the style of our object (pity there's no scale, though). However, there's a school of thought which differentiates the lock pin from the mount, and this is that those with copper alloy shafts were for locks and those with iron shafts were for furniture. (See here and here) Ours had an iron shaft.
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In the case of larger, heavier examples such as ours, I started thinking that if each pin was in excess of 35g it would have been one bruiser of a lock (not that some weren't, I expect, and in any case there's no way of knowing how many pins different locks might have had) and it probably would have taken two men and a boy to open the thing =))

So, after an exhausting and prolonged bout of yeah-but-no-but-yeah I'm going against the grain and coming down on the side of furniture mount. For now ;)

By the way, there's a cracking web site page on lock pins (and all things lock-related) here and everything I said about the other mods is perfectly true ::g
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Re: ID Challenge no.19

Post by Oxgirl36 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:33 pm

Thank god there were no more answers - I was sweating there for a moment x;
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Re: ID Challenge no.19

Post by thefiggis » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:39 pm

No more answers on this IDC, but of course there will be others... ;) ::g
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Post by Bradrick » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:39 pm

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Very well described by the way Fig.

Falls into the 'I'm sure I've seen one before' category, but I'll have a punt at a pommel/knop from a weapon?

Had to post anyway, as I want a bit more goss on the Mods.
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Re: ID Challenge no.19

Post by thefiggis » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:08 pm

=))

Not sure what "right" or "wrong" is in this case, Brad. to be honest. There's seemingly a lot of conjecture on what individual finds are actually from, with very similar examples to be found on both lock plates and furniture. It was a very popular and common design.
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