Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

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Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Lowland » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:22 am

Morning,found this lovely heavily patinated lead lump on a flat area in woodland on a scouting mission last time out,came up from way down deep.
after a very light toothpick over ,the two indents -opposite each other came to light.
Presuming it’s a hanging weight but for what I know not.
There were fragments of a spectacle buckle nearby.
I don’t know the weight as yet.
Any thoughts appreciated,there’s not much to match it to on the PAS.
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Scampi » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:13 am

Maybe a gate weight.

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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Lowland » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:39 am

Scampi wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:13 am
Maybe a gate weight.
Excellent suggestion scampi-could easily be something along those lines...
It was found 100 plus yards from a medieval castle banking ,
One thing that puzzles me is why not just cast it with a loop instead of the two indents :-/
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by fred » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:48 pm

It wouldn't last long as a gate weight if it was just hung on the indents. Likewise with other weights, including the obvious steelyard option. I can't see it as a standup weight for a tray balance either because it wouldn't stand up. :D
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Incognito » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:53 pm

...or why not have a hole right through , the stem looks hefty enuogh to take the weight and a pin or rope through is going to be easier to attach than close something on each side ? Maybe the dents are to bring it to correct weight , or maybe the attachment was decorative or something though hard to imagine so for a piece of lead .

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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Incognito » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:59 pm

fred wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:48 pm
It wouldn't last long as a gate weight if it was just hung on the indents. Likewise with other weights, including the obvious steelyard option. I can't see it as a standup weight for a tray balance either because it wouldn't stand up. :D
They were chucking weights into a basket and not on a nice flat tray ?

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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Lowland » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:02 pm

fred wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:48 pm
It wouldn't last long as a gate weight if it was just hung on the indents. Likewise with other weights, including the obvious steelyard option. I can't see it as a standup weight for a tray balance either because it wouldn't stand up. :D
True Fred,
It does just stand up at an angle but would try your patience as a stand up weight.
So where does that leave the options :D
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Post by Lowland » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:03 pm

Incognito wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:59 pm
fred wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:48 pm
It wouldn't last long as a gate weight if it was just hung on the indents. Likewise with other weights, including the obvious steelyard option. I can't see it as a standup weight for a tray balance either because it wouldn't stand up. :D
They were chucking weights into a basket and not on a nice flat tray ?
I did think of it perhaps sitting on a more accommodating surface.. ::g
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Lowland » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:06 pm

Incognito wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:59 pm
fred wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:48 pm
It wouldn't last long as a gate weight if it was just hung on the indents. Likewise with other weights, including the obvious steelyard option. I can't see it as a standup weight for a tray balance either because it wouldn't stand up. :D
They were chucking weights into a basket and not on a nice flat tray ?
Perhaps it was cast and lost,and the indents were the spot for putting a hole in :-/
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by roamingrob » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:27 pm

It reminded me of a tool for crushing or grinding a bit like a Mortar and pestle. But Lead was not a common material like stone, wood etc. ::g
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Incognito » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:34 pm

Lowland wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:06 pm
Incognito wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:59 pm
fred wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:48 pm
It wouldn't last long as a gate weight if it was just hung on the indents. Likewise with other weights, including the obvious steelyard option. I can't see it as a standup weight for a tray balance either because it wouldn't stand up. :D
They were chucking weights into a basket and not on a nice flat tray ?
Perhaps it was cast and lost,and the indents were the spot for putting a hole in :-/
Could be as well. I had a browse and found nothing like it, most bell shaped were bronze and flat bottomed. Nothing like finding something original ::g

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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Phil2401 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:55 pm

Unusual find!

Just another potential theory - the wider end would fit nicely between the thumb and fingers - the slot could accommodate a cord / string / thin cable that needs pulling or tensioning and then releasing when in its required position. Not explaining this too well, but a bit like cocking a crossbow (it wouldn't of course have been used for that purpose) but maybe some use in weaving?

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Post by Lowland » Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:23 pm

roamingrob wrote:
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It reminded me of a tool for crushing or grinding a bit like a Mortar and pestle. But Lead was not a common material like stone, wood etc. ::g
Me too,the rounded end is very smooth -almost deliberately?
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Lowland » Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:25 pm

Incognito wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:34 pm
Lowland wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:06 pm
Incognito wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:59 pm


They were chucking weights into a basket and not on a nice flat tray ?
Perhaps it was cast and lost,and the indents were the spot for putting a hole in :-/
Could be as well. I had a browse and found nothing like it, most bell shaped were bronze and flat bottomed. Nothing like finding something original ::g
It’s certainly got me puzzled,another night trawling the internet awaits.
It’s growing on me as a find ::g
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Post by Lowland » Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:33 pm

Phil2401 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:55 pm
Unusual find!

Just another potential theory - the wider end would fit nicely between the thumb and fingers - the slot could accommodate a cord / string / thin cable that needs pulling or tensioning and then releasing when in its required position. Not explaining this too well, but a bit like cocking a crossbow (it wouldn't of course have been used for that purpose) but maybe some use in weaving?

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Good theorising phil,something like that sounds pretty plausible....
Annoying when most lead is just lead....would love to pin this one down ::g
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by fred » Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:27 pm

Lowland wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:33 pm
Phil2401 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:55 pm
Unusual find!

Just another potential theory - the wider end would fit nicely between the thumb and fingers - the slot could accommodate a cord / string / thin cable that needs pulling or tensioning and then releasing when in its required position. Not explaining this too well, but a bit like cocking a crossbow (it wouldn't of course have been used for that purpose) but maybe some use in weaving?

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Good theorising phil,something like that sounds pretty plausible....
Annoying when most lead is just lead....would love to pin this one down ::g

There was a similar, but possibly a bit more evenly cast one, posted on here a few years ago. I don't think that we ever really got to the bottom of that one either. :D
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Lowland » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:21 pm

fred wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:27 pm
Lowland wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:33 pm
Phil2401 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:55 pm
Unusual find!

Just another potential theory - the wider end would fit nicely between the thumb and fingers - the slot could accommodate a cord / string / thin cable that needs pulling or tensioning and then releasing when in its required position. Not explaining this too well, but a bit like cocking a crossbow (it wouldn't of course have been used for that purpose) but maybe some use in weaving?

Phil
Good theorising phil,something like that sounds pretty plausible....
Annoying when most lead is just lead....would love to pin this one down ::g

There was a similar, but possibly a bit more evenly cast one, posted on here a few years ago. I don't think that we ever really got to the bottom of that one either. :D
Cheers Fred,could remain a mystery forever,
I should go back to the spot and find some more ::g
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Staggie » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:48 pm

sash window weight?
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Re: Braw big lead bell shaped weight?

Post by Lowland » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:31 am

Staggie wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:48 pm
sash window weight?
Could be staggie,this ones going to bother me till I keel over :D
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Post by Staggie » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:23 pm

well I am rather an expert on digging up loads of lead and copper trash whenever I go out :o
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