Council Permission

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Re: Council Permission

Post by ice_cube » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:31 am

just posting for info really, Barnet council is a no go -

Thank you for your email.

We do not allow metal detectors in Barnet parks.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by Crete » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:41 am

I've contacted the council Requesting Permission for Use of metal detecting .
I received a reply yesterday.

Hello

Unfortunately we do not allow metal detecting in any of our formal parks.
We wish you very success in the future

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Re: Council Permission

Post by A Quatermain » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:16 pm

Crete wrote:I've contacted the council Requesting Permission for Use of metal detecting .
I received a reply yesterday.

Hello

Unfortunately we do not allow metal detecting in any of our formal parks.
We wish you very success in the future

Kind regards
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I have a friend that lives in Shelton and he was told he could use his metal detector in the parks but digging of any kind was prohibited.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by Crete » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:50 pm

Thanks mate. Shame about that x;

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Re: Council Permission

Post by Bikerboyzx6r » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:26 pm

Come on guys!!!

If someone did not have authority over the Parks etc... they would be destroyed!!!

I'm a metal detectorist and even I understand that if all of a sudden 16,000 detectorists (UK estimation) suddenly are allowed to dig up their parks... what state would they be left in for people to walk across, play on etc!

Get a grip people... Wild flowers are not owned but many are illegal to pick... id rather have a beautiful country than a handfull of ring pulls and the odd decimal coin!

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Re: Council Permission

Post by housed » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:01 pm

Bikerboyzx6r wrote:Come on guys!!!

If someone did not have authority over the Parks etc... they would be destroyed!!!

I'm a metal detectorist and even I understand that if all of a sudden 16,000 detectorists (UK estimation) suddenly are allowed to dig up their parks... what state would they be left in for people to walk across, play on etc!

Get a grip people... Wild flowers are not owned but many are illegal to pick... id rather have a beautiful country than a handfull of ring pulls and the odd decimal coin!

Rant over... ::g
I was detecting in a park earlier today for an hour. I make extra sure that all holes and neatly dug and plugged back. Can't tell that I've been there, it's not that hard. The Council give a list of places you can go and a free permit.

Unfortunately there are a fair few idiots who don't backfill their holes and leave all the crap they find next to the hole so I can understand why other Councils find it easier to ban everyone.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by Dave8472 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:16 pm

Hi all, a very long running thread here, since starting detecting nearly 4 years ago myself and many others thought parks were the way to go, I was lucky to get permission for a short while at the beginning and did a stint in a park, had some good finds. But to be honest a few years down the line they are a dead end, you are far better to seek out proper farm or pasture permissions, or join a club. You will only get frustrated at mainly finding tons of rubbish and mostly milled coinage of the last 100 or so years.

Park permissions are always going to be mainly a no, you might be lucky to get the occasional yes for the odd park here and there. Far better to use your time looking for a more long term proper solution rather than wasting your time corresponding with council staff. Don't get me wrong, no problem asking but once you have a no, move on to looking elsewhere, doing the 'keyboard warrior' move trying to go up against the council/MP's/bylaws etc is fruitless.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by Bikerboyzx6r » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:19 pm

housed wrote:Unfortunately there are a fair few idiots who don't backfill their holes and leave all the crap they find next to the hole so I can understand why other Councils find it easier to ban everyone.
Exactly!... Unfortunately 1 in 10 careless detectorist would make a mess of our parks and I'd rather have a nice park thats protected from that 1 idiot than a mess that no-one can use anymore.
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Re: Council Permission

Post by Gwawrer » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:14 pm

Cheshire West and Chester council stance on metal detecting
The Council says No !!! Not a chance even !!

Cheshire West and Chester Council    Protocol for the use of metal detectors on local authority owned or tenanted land    This document sets out Cheshire West and Chester Council’s (CWAC) protocol on metal  detecting on Council land.     Metal detecting on land owned or tenanted by Cheshire West and Chester Council is not  permitted except where a metal detecting survey forms part of an approved programme  of archaeological investigation.    This protocol is effective from 10 May 2013 and supersedes any previous policy or  arrangements.  It has been adopted by the following operational services: Street Scene,  Cheshire Farms, Property, Highways, and Leisure and Green Spaces, in order to provide a  consistent approach to the management of the Council’s heritage assets.    Explanation    Metal detectors can be valuable archaeological tools when used responsibly. However metal  detecting can be problematic and can result in:   Removal of artefacts from their contexts with serious loss of information    Damage to related archaeological deposits   Partial recovery of assemblages which often neglects non‐metal finds, again with a  loss of information   Unreported discoveries leading to an accumulated loss of knowledge    Metal detecting on undisturbed land and permanent pasture where no imminent threat of  destruction is present is inadvisable, as archaeological features may lie close to the surface  and could be damaged by digging to recover detected objects.    Metal detecting should only usually be carried out on arable land, which has already been  disturbed and should only be used to recover material within the depth of ploughing and  not from undisturbed contexts. This is in line with guidance from English Heritage1.    The Archaeology Planning Advisory Service (APAS), part of the Specialist Advisory Service,  provides archaeological advice to all services in CWAC and advices on appropriate  management regimes for the authority’s heritage assets. APAS recognises the valuable  contribution made by metal detecting in locating previously unknown sites and as a survey  technique and therefore accepts that metal detecting may be used as part of a structured  programme of archaeological research. Metal detecting is advised as part of archaeological  mitigation programmes where appropriate, as part of the planning process. In addition  APAS works closely with the national Portable Antiquities Scheme, to ensure that all  portable artefacts are properly recorded.   
Cheshire West and Chester Council  Protocol for the use of metal detectors on local authority owned or tenanted land ‐ May 2013  Page 2 
Some land owned or tenanted by Cheshire West and Chester Council carries specific  restrictions on the use of metal detectors. It is an offence to use a metal detector on a  Scheduled Monument or in the Chester Area of Archaeological Importance, without a  licence from English Heritage2. It is also recommended that detecting is not carried out on  known archaeological sites, whether designated or undesignated. Designated sites (in  addition to Scheduled Monuments) include sites on English Heritage’s Register of Parks and  Gardens of Special Historic Interest, such as Grosvenor Park, and non designated sites are  included in the Cheshire Historic Environment Record (maintained by APAS).    Metal detecting is already restricted on land which is entered into Environmental Land  Management Schemes, such as Countryside Stewardship, Entry Level, Organic Entry Level  and Higher Level Stewardship Schemes without the written consent of Natural England.  Some land managed by Cheshire Farms is entered into these schemes, as well as areas such  as The Meadows in Chester. In addition, byelaws may exist limiting certain activities in  country parks and public parks. 
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Re: Council Permission

Post by Gwawrer » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:50 pm

Yes Chester council dead set against metal detecting, not a very nice council take on metal detecting. From this document they think its just destructive and people will not report finds, but if people don't detect nothing would be found.
This is the bit below I think is total madness.

(Metal detecting on undisturbed land and permanent pasture where no imminent threat of destruction is present is inadvisable, as archaeological features may lie close to the surface and could be damaged by digging to recover detected objects.)

I have loads of land so I'm not bothered about council land and I am well known to the Flo for reporting finds. :D
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Re: Council Permission

Post by OldFartPhil » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:12 pm

I have been to the East Lindsey District Council website and it says that Metal Detecting is allowed on their beaches as long as it's just a private person and not a company doing it , so that covers Skegness and Ingoldmels . It says that detecting is not allowed on beaches south of Skegness and just gives you a list of do's and don'ts . ::g
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Re: Council Permission

Post by jingernut » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:45 am

Just go this back from my local council when asking about metal detecting on council owned land.

"As all our parks and open spaces are readily available for public use there would not be a problem to go onto the land that the Town Council maintain. Obviously you know what the rules are on finds!
Happy hunting"

There are a couple of large parks (20+ acres) in the town and a few little ones as well.

Just wondering what sort of results people get from parks? I presume it's just mostly new items?

When do people feel is the best time to detect them?

Thanks.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by rsalvi » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:51 am

From parks I usually get Queen Victoria to present day.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by Dave8472 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:28 pm

Oldest artefact in a park for me was a Harness pendant, Circa 12th - 13th century. Oldest coin was a 1749 Farthing, but the bulk mainly Victorian through to George VI

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Re: Council Permission

Post by beaubrummell » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:54 pm

The saying goes that all land is old land. There may be a lot of modern trash on the places you've been given permission to detect on but deeper down there's bound to be some great stuff.

If you get out very early in the morning you can get a few hours detecting in before folk start turning up to walk their dogs etc,

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Re: Council Permission

Post by MetalMonkey » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:52 pm

For a Council like mine Cheshire West and Chester and other Council's that won't let us detected on Council owned land is there nothing NCMD could do for us in Educating the council's about our hobby?
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Re: Council Permission

Post by jcmaloney » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:19 am

MetalMonkey wrote:For a Council like mine Cheshire West and Chester and other Council's that won't let us detected on Council owned land is there nothing NCMD could do for us in Educating the council's about our hobby?
Fight our corner a little bit. ~x(
We do "fight your corner", mostly in terms of big stuff like stewardship schemes that can have an effect on the millions of acres of arable land.
However it is always the landowners choice if they allow detecting or not.

Feel free to start a discussion on the NCMD members forum. That way it`ll get wider exposure. ::g

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Re: Council Permission

Post by prezz1 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:47 am

Hi All, I just got a reply back from my parks and recreation in barrow cumbria, I am not clever enough to put the email on here,
This is what the superintendant said, Under no circumstances will i allow or will ever allow, you to
EXCAVATE my park, I am sure there are NON-COUNCIL areas to go.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by jingernut » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:13 am

jingernut wrote:Just go this back from my local council when asking about metal detecting on council owned land.

"As all our parks and open spaces are readily available for public use there would not be a problem to go onto the land that the Town Council maintain. Obviously you know what the rules are on finds!
Happy hunting"

There are a couple of large parks (20+ acres) in the town and a few little ones as well.

Just wondering what sort of results people get from parks? I presume it's just mostly new items?

When do people feel is the best time to detect them?

Thanks.
Further to this, I was concerned that from the email I received I may have been allowed to detect and not actually dig so emailed them back for clarification.

I have received an updated email from a different department now saying.

"I have been contacted about whether we allow metal detecting within our parks. We do not allow this as if you have a signal you will then want to dig to find out what it is. We do not allow any digging as in the past we have had people come onto our land and start digging even within the play areas which is not acceptable. As a result we do not allow metal detecting – surely there are plenty of other local open farmland that does allows access."

So it appears that the actions of someone else have spoiled it for the rest... isn't that always the case nowadays.

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Re: Council Permission

Post by Monkeyman101 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:15 pm

This was my reply from my council.

Dear Mr xxxxxxxx,

Thank you for your email of 12 September 2014.

Whilst we endeavour to allow as many diverse activities on our open spaces as we can, I must inform you that at present **** **** Council does not unfortunately permit metal detecting on its land.

If we were to allow this activity on our sites we would have to establish some clear rules based on the guidelines that already exist. However, the difficulty would be in deciding which sites are appropriate and which are not. We would need to establish whether there might need to be different rules for each site. We would need to adopt a clear policy that may need to be linked to a number of sites. There is advice for instance from the National Council for Metal Detecting, http://www.ncmd.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. There is also, I understand a list of local clubs who may be able to advise you of sites that you might be able to metal detect on.

When we are able to look into this further, we will certainly be consulting local clubs. I am pleased to hear you are a member of one of the NCMD. Perhaps a local club would be able to help you find sites that are available and would update you if East Herts Council is able to allow access to some of its sites in the future.

For your information we have had some dialogue with the Historic Environment Advisor at ******* County Council. She advises that metal detecting is not permitted on any land owned by *********** County Council including a number of parks. On Open Access Land (Commons etc.) metal detecting, indeed carrying a metal detector, is prohibited under Schedule 2 of the Countryside and Rights of Way Act (CRoW 2000). With regards to Public Rights of Way, the right is only to pass and repass, nothing else. Indeed it is an offence to damage the surface of a Public Highway. The land over which a right of way runs is usually owned by the adjacent land owners, therefore any artefacts within the ground beneath a Public Right of Way are the property of those landowners. She considers that the vast majority of public open spaces across the district owed by District, Town or Parish Councils are likely to come under the 'open access land' banner, having originated as Commons. If any part of a public open space is designated as a Scheduled Monument, it has the added protection of the 1979 Act.

I am not aware of any metal detecting being permitted in ******** Park but can advise that the ******* Park Friends Group were authorised to carry out some investigation of a feature in the park last year and will be pursuing this in a limited way this year. They have our permission and are working closely with archaeological advisers from County. We are hoping to develop a wider externally funded project to further explore the history of the park in the future with the assistance of professional archaeological consultants. We will of course publicise this if we are able to find suitable funding and would welcome assistance from residents like yourself who may have useful experience.

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